Tesla's Zero Time Generator

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I finished this project in December. I originally built it because of the claimed rotation it was supposed to exhibit while in operation. I looked it over and concluded it should only oscillate or gyrate in a circular pattern. I was wrong. It does indeed rotate in the configuration posted on the internet diagrams I used.

The historical information on this device is sparse. The info I have on it says it was built by Tesla in 1920. It was reportedly used in the Philadelphia experiment. That was all I could find. Tesla never patented it. So I don't know if he is the original inventor or not.

Let me just say that I believe this device should be the Holy Grail of physics. Toss out Newton and his silly Laws of Motion. Shit-can Einstein's Theory of General Relativity. In fact, chuck your physics book into the trash bin. This device is chock full of some very interesting facts about our reality. I've been experimenting with this device now for about two months. I keep coming up with new things to try. I don't have it completely figured out yet. There seems to be an interaction with time that I am still puzzling over.

Basically all this device is, is a mechanical oscillator. It has two orthogonal planes of rotating weights. There is a resulting rotational force on the third plane which is orthogonal to both of the other planes of rotating weights. The rotational force on the third plane changes direction usually twice during the span of the RPM range of the device. I built the device so it should peak out its RPM at around 30Hz. Also experiments show the direction of rotation reverses above a certain radius. It's like there are standing waves present on the third plane. Something is there that is being indirectly accessed by the oscillating weights on the other two orthogonal planes. Last week at a low RPM at the point just in between a directional change I measured the RPM with a photo tachometer. The speed measurement was 470 RPM. That calculates out to 7.8Hz. I would call that a Schumann resonance. I always associated that resonance with the theory that it was due to the resonant cavity of the earth and the ionosphere. Kind of strange that a mechanical oscillator would have that particular signature. Perhaps the theory is in error.

Anyway, most of the experiments are probably something that most would consider just plain boring. I looked at them as the real laws of motion. A three force interaction, with a net force occurring on each plane in 3-D space.

I have been altering the original configuration of the device by changing the phase relationships of the rotating weights. I also managed to change the rotational direction in one plane. Last week I came up with a configuration of interest.


Using a unique phase combination of the rotating weights results in a propulsion effect. One plane of the rotating weights causes a vertical up and down vibration. The second plane of rotating weights causes a horizontal vibration due to one of the rotating weights being 180 degrees out of phase. The two planes of oscillation combine to produce a propulsion effect across the surface of the table. I believe the coefficient of friction would be higher on a downward weight vibration cycle, thus nullifying any reverse movement. So motion only occurs in the upward weight vibration cycle. It's like a weight rectifier. I was able to get more thrust by advancing the phase timing on the horizontal oscillator weights to around 20 degrees before TDC. This resulted in pushing the power thrust curve to a higher point in the RPM, giving a more stable propulsion effect at the cost of using more available power.

That is my analysis so far. Not really violating any laws as we know them so far. But it introduces the concept of nullifying weight through the use of a weight oscillator to achieve the observed motion. I believe this to be a blueprint for creating linear motion. It makes me wonder if there is an electromagnetic equivalent. Also the oscillating weight is of extreme interest to me. It's like our science is completely ignoring this parallel behavior of weight to EM behavior.

Of course I see this oscillating weight also as an intriguing connection to the gravity wave A that Bob Lazar talked about. He called it accessing nuclear force. I see a similarity in mechanical force in that mechanical force is also a very short range force. Mechanical force never extends beyond the physical boundaries of a solid object.

And then another little comparison to EM phenomena is this device is basically a half wave rectifier. We have full wave electrical rectifiers. Maybe that's the next step. To make a full wave weight rectifier that causes an object to have a net negative weight.
 

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He was certainly a clever bloke. The more I read about him the more I am fascinated.
 
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Have you ever seen one of those clocks that runs off of a spinning pendulum? I have one, it was my grandfather's.



Of course, this is a purely mechanical device. The bottom spins clockwise, then stops spinning, and reverses its direction, ad infinitum. Purely mechanical, before Tesla even came along.

Why toss out history when there is a story to be learned from Newton, and Einstein, both Savants who knew a great deal? Tesla was of the same breed, his story was just robbed in exchange for his undying legacy. The world is not so fair, it seems.
 
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If you paid attention to history, you would realize that the real Einstein was someone's puppet. And the real history is something we may never know.
Someone's keeping track, don't you worry about that.

Your post reminded me of a dear friend of mine, Charlie Chaplain.


But the story of democracy reminds me of a story, one of you are probably more familiar with it than I am.

Basically, the story goes: A Teacher praises democracy to his Student. The Teacher is killed due to democracy itself. The Student curses democracy.

There is a message behind this story. Can you find it? It is not democracy that is at fault, but Man.

Democracy always wins, with the proper triumvirate. The problem lately is that triumvirate seems to have struck its own chord; and with its light comes its shadow. There is always dusk before dawn; in due time.
 
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This resembles a pair of Dean Devices. Many things have been attributed to Tesla, most of the legit things belatedly. What does it do when in free-fall, or just on a frictionless surface. The Dean device appears to be a space drive when on a surface with friction. I would not be surprised if some effect attributable to General Relativity exists, but it would be so slight that it would be washed out by quantum considerations.
 

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I'm of the opinion that this device and the Dean Drive access the gravity A wave talked about by Bob Lazar. There has to be a physical connection in order for the wave to propagate.
 
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When a star falls into a black hole a gravitational wave is created that can be detected by a massive detector of several thousand kilograms mass maintained at nearly absolute zero Kelvin so close to the black hole that the gamma rays created by the event will sterilize any life operating the detector. You will not detect any gravitational radiation from your device, but there may well be some. As with the Dean device, any motion is due to friction between a surface and the device . Vibrating conveyors are similar. Consider a flat metal plate in a horizontal position (perhaps sitting on a table top. place a hockey puck on it. strike the plate on one edge with a hammer, causing it to very rapidly move a distance horizontally. the puck will not move. now slowly move the plate back to its original position. The puck will now be in a new position. Repeat, and the puck will again be in a new position. This is how a vibrating conveyor works. The Dean device also works the same way. If you are in free fall standing on a metal plate and hit it with a hammer in your hand, or just take the hammer and whack yourself on your head, you will go nowhere. Throw the hammer and you and the hammer will go in opposite directions.

By the way, go to the beach and you can see lovely gravity waves.
 
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Actually, I have looked a bit closer at the device shown above and it is not as sophisticated as the Dean device. I looked at the Wiki article about the Dean device ( I am familiar with it from the original Analog articles, and once had a copy of the patent). and noticed that the legit studies of the Dean device concluded that it is the most sophisticated "reactionless" device patented. It can be used to move loads in low friction circumstances.

I once had a neighbor who was trying to patent a perpetual motion device based on the classic wheel with moving weights that looks like it always has more weight on one side that the other. The problem, of course, is that the side with more weight has the weights closet to the axis, so that the torque is always the same. However, if the wheel is aligned just right, the Earth's rotation will make it rotate, and it is possible to rob some power from the Earth. This would make it appear to be a perpetual motion machine. I have never done the calculations as to how much power a device could extract, and I suspect that it would be difficult to reduce friction enough for it to operate.
 
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Have you ever seen one of those clocks that runs off of a spinning pendulum? I have one, it was my grandfather's.



Of course, this is a purely mechanical device. The bottom spins clockwise, then stops spinning, and reverses its direction, ad infinitum. Purely mechanical, before Tesla even came along.


Why toss out history when there is a story to be learned from Newton, and Einstein, both Savants who knew a great deal? Tesla was of the same breed, his story was just robbed in exchange for his undying legacy. The world is not so fair, it seems.
There is also a mainspring and an escapement., and it has to be would. No perpetual motion..
 

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We aren't taught fact based science. Everything is theory based. And I don't agree with any of the theories. They all fall apart rapidly under close scrutiny.

Have you noticed there hasn't been any gravity wave detection yet? Kind of looks like gravity waves don't propagate through space. Of course it's just a theory anyway.

The same with Black Holes. They used to be called Schwarzschild discontinuities. He came up with the concept. But it's a theory. Based on another theory. Mass. Where is the proof for mass? Under direct observation gravitational weight or inertial weight can become zero. And acceleration can exist in the presence or absence of weight. Thus making it independent of weight. Which does kind of conflict with the equation F=MA.

So why are we being taught theories that are rapidly debunked by existing fact? That's a good question. I would love to know the answer.
 
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If you look at the comments I made above, gravity waves are extremely weak (about 10 to the minus 30 times as strong as electromagnetic waves, although both bigger or smaller ratios can be given depending on how they are arrived at) you can see that there is good reason why we haven't actually measured them yet, although there is an argument that they may have been observed in the background radiation of the universe.

Black holes were actually predicted by Newton, based on classical physics, although LaPlace was the first to actually predict that there were large objects that would be invisible because of the escape velocity exceeding that of light. What are the circumstances in which inertial mass becomes zero ( I don't know what you mean by "inertial weight").

Just what is accelerating in the absence of "weight"? Do you not know what the difference between weight and mass is? If you can define what is accelerating in the absence of mass, you will notice that there is no force. In order for acceleration to have any meaning, you must be able to measure something. What is it that you are measuring, and how are you measuring it.

You should know that most of the science we are taught is empirical, i.e., based on experimental evidence, The theories are models that predict the observed facts, and most experimental science is designed to verify or disprove existing theories.

Sometimes when we do experiments, we do not get expected results. Then we refine the theories. That is what science is all about.
 

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From your statements I can see that you have bought into your science education hook, line and sinker. Without questioning any of it. That would be okay to do that with a religion. But this is science. It isn't supposed to be about beliefs. Yet that is the way it is being taught.

I have to disagree with your knowledge on Newton and Laplace having anything to do with Black Holes. This information didn't used to exist. So if it exists now, it is a fabrication or alteration to the knowledge base we are taught from.

What are the circumstances in which inertial mass becomes zero ( I don't know what you mean by "inertial weight").
I was using the fact based observation. In an inertial acceleration, a body will develop weight with a vector direction opposed to its acceleration. When the inertial acceleration drops to zero, so does its inertial weight. Inertial weight is variable.

Just what is accelerating in the absence of "weight"?
Gravitational acceleration of a body in a vacuum is weightless.

Do you not know what the difference between weight and mass is?
Yes I do. Weight is something real in our universe. There appears to be three types of weight. Gravitational, centrifugal, and inertial. Mass is the fictional theory we are taught in school. Supposed to be a dimensionless quantity of matter.

If you can define what is accelerating in the absence of mass, you will notice that there is no force.
I never said there was an absence of mass. But I did say there was an absence of weight in a gravitational acceleration.

Now if you start to take a closer look at these facts, it almost looks like someone doesn't want us to know about weight. So naturally I decided to see what is being hidden from view. Gravitational weight is connected to the flow of time. The more gravitational weight you have, the slower time flows. This much we know to be fact. So does centrifugal weight make time flow faster? They do use a lot of centrifuges in processing radioactive elements. Makes me wonder if those centrifuges are actually breeder reactors that take advantage of time being sped up.

That's just the tip of the iceberg on what you could do if you were using fact based science. What if you could modulate and an objects weight? It seems you would also be modulating the flow of time. Someone might actually build a time machine with information like that. :rolleyes:
 
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The fact that Newton observed that it would be possible to have a mass large enough (and concentrated enough) to have an escape velocity equal to the velocity of light has been true since the time of Newton, and the fact that LaPlace predicted what we now call black holes has been true since the time of LaPlace. Perhaps YOU weren't always aware of that, but I have been aware of that for about 50 years, and the texts have recorded it for longer than that..

The term "inertial weight" is not used by physicists. We talk of inertial mass. "Gravitational weight" is likewise not generally used, gravitational mass is. To very great degrees of accuracy we have not been able to measure any difference between the two, hence we have the General Theory of Relativity.The term "weight " normally refers to the force exerted on a mass by a gravitational field. A given mass will have a different weight in different gravitational fields, e.g. the surface of the Earth and the surface of the moon. A given mass will have a different weight at sea-level and In a U2 at maximum altitude. It is technologically possible to measure weight differences on the first and 100th floor of the Empire State Building.

Mass is not dimensionless, mass is mass, thoroughly mensurable.

In a centrifuge (assuming it is running) time slows (relative to the outside observer). Did you know that a clock in a satellite in orbit runs shower than one on the surface of the earth if in low orbit, but if the orbit is high enough, it will appear to be faster (not by a whole lot.).In both cases you need atomic clocks to be able to make the measurements, Or maybe just a good laser (measure red or blue shifts)

A breeder reactor usually captures neutrons emitted by some fusion reaction such as the decay of U235 to do something such as turn U238 into Plutonium. Centrifuges are used to extract select isotopes.

An astronaut in orbit experiences weightlessness. But if he throws a ball, he has to do work to throw the ball. and both the astronaut and the ball move in opposite directions in accordance with F=ma. Both the F and the a should have arrows written above them to indicate that they are vector quantities, but there are no vector signs in this font. As this is the Newtonian equation, we have to assume that the mass, the force, as well as the acceleration are within the realm of "everyday" quantities so that we do not have to allow for Einsteinian relativity.

Mass is a very well understood matter of everyday experience. Notice that the metric system generally measures mass (the gram), whereas the English system generally measures weight (pound) . However the metric system does have weight (dyne or Newton) and the English system does have mass (poundal).

And, In the years I spent in research, questioning was what I was getting paid to do. And , as a theoretician, questioning is what I do.Questioning is what Science is all about.
 

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There has been lots of discussion on mass. The general consensus is no one knows what it really is. The problem I have with it, is I have only been exposed to the measurement of mass using a balance scale. And what the balance scale does, is measure the ratio of a known quantity of gravitational weight to an unknown quantity of gravitational weight. So the units of weight divide out, leaving a dimensionless quantity behind. That is what we call mass. And that's why I say mass is a dimensionless quantity. Now you say it has dimension. I would love to see how you can legally give mass dimensionality.

The next problem is that I was never shown how to determine an objects inertial mass. We were told to use its gravitational mass in inertial computations. But inertial weight and gravitational weight are clearly different kinds of weight. Gravitational weight only occurs in the absence of gravitational acceleration. Inertial weight only occurs in the presence of a directionally opposed inertial acceleration. What I see is two different types of weight, and two different types of acceleration. So using gravitational mass in place of inertial mass is clearly not legal. At least not until someone comes up with an experiment to prove it. So apparently physics is now off the path of using fact based math. And has been for some time. But why?

I noticed the deletion of weight from the text books early on. To me it appears to be an attempt to hide something. And who is doing the hiding? So naturally I've been putting the weight back in when I attempt to understand something. What I am finding is there is a whole type of science completely eliminated by this deletion of weight from the texts. We could be manipulating weight and time just as easily as we manipulate the electromagnetic forces. If only we had been using the facts instead of theory. Now who would have a motive for keeping us in the dark about this knowledge? My prime suspects are the ET's. Since the longer we stay ignorant, the less chance we have of becoming a threat to them. But I do think the day is rapidly approaching where the ET's no longer will be able to influence us with this type of control.

This latest video I made, is showing the ZTG displaying an oscillating torque wave phenomena that I have been studying. At any one speed there is a standing wave phenomena present. Every few inches on the radius, the torque waves will change direction. In this video there appears to be a barrier frequency when once crossed causes a rapid boost in RPS. I calibrated the meter in Hertz.

 
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The equivalence of gravitational mass and inertial mass is the basis of General Relativity. An incredible amount of research since 1905 has been dedicated to testing this Theory, and the agreement of measured fact with this theory has been without fail (the other great theory being tested is Quantum Mechanics). Your Vibrator is just that. Sorry. Considering how difficult it is to measure gravity waves coming from massive black holes, I wouldn't hold my breath looking for the gravity waves your device emits. In fact, I doubt that quantum limits on the size of gravitons allow for any from it. Look up vibrating conveyors on the internet.

Einstein's 1905 book on "Relativity: the Special and General Theory" http://www.ibiblio.org/ebooks/Einstein/Einstein_Relativity.pdf is free online.
 

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I do look at Einstein's equivalence principle as a work of fiction. So anything based on fictional premises isn't going to go anywhere. But I have presented you with real verifiable facts about weight. You can build things using facts. It's a good thing Einstein didn't extend the equivalence principle to include the electromagnetic forces. We wouldn't be having this conversation right now. And we would still be using candles and wood stoves for lighting and heating.

Let's take a look at gravitational weight. Weight = Force. So let's call it gravitational force. Standing on a scale you can shift upward and downward periodically creating an oscillation of gravitational force. So technically you have created a gravity wave. Gravitational force periodically changing in value is a wave phenomena. We do know these waves do not transmit beyond the physical boundaries of the objects they originate from. So in order to detect a gravity wave, there has to be a physical connection to the wave producing source. That's why we don't seem to be able to detect gravity waves from space. These are real facts that anyone can easily verify.

So this vibrator as you call it was invented by Tesla. And it basically oscillates the gravitational force in a rotating pattern. So it's a rotating gravitational force oscillator. It makes rotating gravity waves. It appears Tesla took the concept of a rotating magnetic field and applied it to gravitational force. The reason I'm interested in this device is because the gravitational force has a connection to the time force. I'm interested in learning how to manipulate the time force. So unlocking the secrets this device is hiding has been a very entertaining pastime for me.
 
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What is the medium that oscillates with EM waves? You may consider the principle of the equivalence of gravitational and inertial mass to be fiction, but that fiction predicts a great number of phenomena with incredible accuracy. Billions of dollars over almost a hundred years have been spent to perform a great many experiments to check this.The General Theory of Relativity has been verified countless times, and nothing has ever hinted at any failure of it, even though it has been the subject of a major part of scientific experimentation for the past hundred years. The orbit of Mercury cannot be predicted with Newtonian physics, but General Relativity predicts it with great precision. And both theories of Relativity apply with total accuracy to electromagnetic phenomena. Radio waves were known before Einstein published his work, and his work helped in the understanding of electromagnetic wave propagation. I suppose charge would be similar in electricity to mass in gravity, I have trouble understanding why you think enunciating a principle of equivalence in EM theory would make EM waves suddenly vanish. Could you explain this?
 

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What is the medium that oscillates with EM waves? You may consider the principle of the equivalence of gravitational and inertial mass to be fiction, but that fiction predicts a great number of phenomena with incredible accuracy. Billions of dollars over almost a hundred years have been spent to perform a great many experiments to check this.The General Theory of Relativity has been verified countless times, and nothing has ever hinted at any failure of it, even though it has been the subject of a major part of scientific experimentation for the past hundred years. The orbit of Mercury cannot be predicted with Newtonian physics, but General Relativity predicts it with great precision. And both theories of Relativity apply with total accuracy to electromagnetic phenomena. Radio waves were known before Einstein published his work, and his work helped in the understanding of electromagnetic wave propagation. I suppose charge would be similar in electricity to mass in gravity, I have trouble understanding why you think enunciating a principle of equivalence in EM theory would make EM waves suddenly vanish. Could you explain this?
Sir, I think you got your answer right here:

Now who would have a motive for keeping us in the dark about this knowledge? My prime suspects are the ET's.
 

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I disagree that you can do anything with fiction. So the fact that a theory does appear to work, apparently using fiction as its base, is a lie. What it appears to me is that facts were used to construct a model. Then some key facts were removed, and other key facts were replaced with fiction, thus turning it into a theory. So the math works. But no one can figure out why. The jokes on us. Who orchestrated this?

Our understanding of EM theory would become nonexistent if voltage, current, and resistance loads were suddenly stripped of their current status. The phenomena would be explained away as more fictitious pseudo forces that don't really exist. And a one formula fits all would be substituted in its place. People experimenting with magnetic fields would be considered kooks and crackpots. Ridiculed and possibly murdered for their nonconformity. All because someone came along and created a principle of equivalence for the various electric and magnetic phenomena. We would have to recognize the existence of forces first, in order for wave phenomena to be understood.

I remember when I was taught physics, my instructor went to great lengths to try and explain away centrifugal force as a fictitious force. Showed us a plot on a graph of how an object moves away at constant velocity when the tie to the center of rotation was cut. He claimed there was no acceleration, so there was really no force. Years later it occurred to me that the object was traveling in a path at right angles to its force. So shouldn't the acceleration be along the same path that the force was on? So I used the Pythagorean theorem to calculate the rate the object was moving away from its previous center of rotation. It turns out the rate the radius increases is an acceleration. So centrifugal force does have a weightless centrifugal acceleration. The exact opposite of gravitational force. That makes centrifugal force the anti-gravity force. That's why I mentioned centrifuges may be speeding up time. If gravity slows down time, then anti-gravity should speed up time. Of course no one would suspect that, if they believed centrifugal force was fictitious.
 
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"centrifugal force" is the apparent reaction to centripetal force, whatever force is used to make an object move in a circular (or elliptical) path. When you put a weight on the end of a piece of string and swing it around your head, the force that you put on the string is called a centripetal force because it pulls the weight into its roughly circular string. Construct a sling-shot. release the weight (perhaps a pebble) and the weight moves in a straight line (except for the effect of gravity and air friction) at a tangent to the circular path. Your Physics instructor was telling you the truth.

The fact of the matter is that an ultra-centrifuge produces a slowing of time (crudely speaking). It can be measured, and has. I wonder what "fiction" you are referring to. Modern science, especially Physics, is Empirical. You appear to be caught up in some distorted Rationalism. Rationalism has been soundly rejected. Ever hear of Dr. Kurt Goedel?

The best example of fiction in pseudo science is probably the ridiculous lies of Bob Lazar. He claims academic credentials that are easily debunked. And the most obvious lie is in his claim that Ununpentium was used in his fictional warp drive. Ununpentium has several isotopes, one of which (299) has a half-life of less than one fifth of a second (the other isotopes have far shorter half-lives) His 28 gram chunk would be 27 grams of Ununtrium and 1 gram of Ununpentium in less than 1 second. In a minute it would have no detectable Ununpentium ( and very little Ununtrium).

The phenomena involved in EM are not a matter of opinion. They are a matter of Empirical fact. Our theoretical understanding of these phenomena may evolve, and we may discover uses and processes that we don't yet know, but what we publish in text-books will not change natural phenomena. Science is not a democratic process: opinion does not change the physical world.

At one time people studying EM phenomena were persecuted, perhaps burned at the stake. But the Empirical facts eventually led to such intellectual giants as Tesla, Hertz, Maxwell, and Einstein (to name a very few), and experimental fact led to such science as Relativity and modern EM theory (Relativity is part of modern science that makes modern lighting possible, as well as computers and smart phones).

Without modern science, we would be lucky to have candles for lighting, and would be cooking, at best, in open-hearth fire-places.
 

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The centripetal force is something I would like to see verified experimentally. But the centrifugal force is measurable. The presence of weight is present with its vector direction pointed away from the center of rotation. Any centripetal force without the presence of acceleration would be a gravity like force. Since both gravity and centrifugal force rely on an unchanging radius. I know you keep saying that it has been verified that time runs slower with centrifugal force. But did you verify it? I haven't verified it. But I do know that when you assemble anything with facts, it becomes a model with predictable outcomes. It is a fact that centrifugal force can cancel gravitational force, in a local rotating body with its axis of rotation tangent to the surface of the earth. For only part of the rotational cycle. If the gravitational force is cancelled for part of that rotational cycle, then the time dilation associated with the gravitational force has to disappear as well. We are told that there is a time dilation associated with the gravitational force. And there have been experiments to show time does vary with gravitational force intensity. So either the experiment shows us time does speed up in the absence of gravitational force, or we will get to learn something new.

I wanted to show you this simple Pythagorean theorem plot I did, depicting the weightless acceleration path of centrifugal force. There are two forces present in the plot. The inertial force plot depicting the inertial path afterwards. And the centrifugal force plot indicating the centrifugal acceleration path after disconnection. The centrifugal acceleration occurs along the hypotenuse. Since the hypotenuse represents a path to the center of the previous rotation. Why this path? Because this is the path the centrifugal force was on.



The hypotenuse values increase as if the object was accelerating away.

As for Bob Lazar? I like the story. It was very entertaining. Do I believe it? There aren't any bones to chew on. As you can see, I'm not the sort of person that accepts what they are told, without some way to verify it.
 

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I'm not exactly sure what you are demonstrating. I'm not going to try to reexamine each of your calculations but I would like you to explain how you are calculating your hypotenuse.

A2+B2=C2

B2 is the interval of time you are using? Then it is a constant rate of change?

and you calculate C2 based on what value of A2?
 

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I'm not exactly sure what you are demonstrating. I'm not going to try to reexamine each of your calculations but I would like you to explain how you are calculating your hypotenuse.
A2+B2=C2

B2 is the interval of time you are using? Then it is a constant rate of change?

and you calculate C2 based on what value of A2?
A is the radius of the circular path just as the string is cut. B is the distance traveled in one second intervals. With the passing of each second, a new right triangle is formed. The length of each new hypotenuse changes at a changing rate as an acceleration would do.
 

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Sorry for interrupting your conversation. May I ask one stupid question? Why the Tesla zero time generator has something to do with time travel?
 

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Because it is a mechanical oscillator that can affect its own gravitational weight. If the gravitational force locally changes with the oscillator, then so should its connection to time. So time may oscillate locally too.

The Tesla Zero Time Reference Generator has always been mentioned as a component part of the Philadelphia Experiment.
 

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I don't see A as a constant radius from the time the string is cut. With each calculation A would be the value of C from the previous calculation. The length of the radius you begin with, A, changes as, B (time) increases and, C your hypotenuse increases. You can't keep both A and B as constants. Perhaps that is where your error resides.
 

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A remains as the side of each successive right triangle. A is the only side that remains constant. B changes at a constant rate and is there to represent the inertial path of the object. C represents the path of the centrifugal acceleration.

The reasoning is that the centrifugal force is always on a line that originates from the center of the circle. So the centrifugal acceleration must also be along a line that originates from the center of the circle.
 

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If you were swinging a rock around yourself, and you let go, you would be at the center of that circular motion. Since you are at the center of rotation, the rock would appear to be accelerating away from you. So that is all I did, was to calculate the rate at which the rock is moving away from the center of rotation. The Pythagorean Theorem can be used in this instance to accurately calculate the rate.
 

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I still don't think you get to do that. Once you cut the string you have lost the centrifugal action and inertia takes over. Your string is cut, your radius is no longer a constant.

I'll leave my thoughts at that.

Perhaps RainmanTime will feel up to discussing it with you, again.
 

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I just wanted to show Thomas that there are facts about centrifugal force that are not shared in the classroom. I call them deleted facts. But you can't say I can't do it. Because the Pythagorean Theorem is a very useful mathematical tool.
 
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If you were swinging a rock around yourself, and you let go, you would be at the center of that circular motion. Since you are at the center of rotation, the rock would appear to be accelerating away from you. So that is all I did, was to calculate the rate at which the rock is moving away from the center of rotation. The Pythagorean Theorem can be used in this instance to accurately calculate the rate.
But the reason the rock stays in that circular path is because it is accelerating towards you. When the string is released, cut, or breaks. the rock ceases to accelerate, but moves IN A CONSTANT Velocity (except for air drag, etc.) tangental to the circular path. The string supplies the well documented centripetal force. The equal but opposaite reaction to that force is what you perceive as a centrifugal force. The rock does not appear to be accelerating away from you once you let go, since it (absent air drag) travels at a constant velocity. If it had a rocket motor that fired once it was released, then it would accelerate.
 
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I just wanted to show Thomas that there are facts about centrifugal force that are not shared in the classroom. I call them deleted facts. But you can't say I can't do it. Because the Pythagorean Theorem is a very useful mathematical tool.
I am sure that I have been in far more classrooms than you, especially in Math and Physics. Perhaps you have only been in very rudimentary classrooms, but the actual facts do get discussed.General Relativity is usually a class with 3rd year Graduate students in Physics and Math, it can be very difficult.As a young Physicist I was taught that only a handful of people actually understood the theory. I'm sure that, worldwide, the number of people capable of doing serious work on the subject is in two digits (less than 100). But the real basic fact, the equivalence of inertial and gravitational mass, was proven by Galileo Galilei (supposedly). In fact, most of the foundation for both theories of relativity comes from Galileo's work in the late 16th/early 17th century.


And the Pythagorean theorem is part of what is loosely referred to as Euclidean Geometry, which is a very accurate APPROXIMATION to the geometry of the everyday experience, but fails on both quantum and Astronomical scales. You can lay out a football field quite well using it, but it isn't too useful for designing time travel machines.
 
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Because it is a mechanical oscillator that can affect its own gravitational weight. If the gravitational force locally changes with the oscillator, then so should its connection to time. So time may oscillate locally too.
The Tesla Zero Time Reference Generator has always been mentioned as a component part of the Philadelphia Experiment.
You may contact an university and do an experiment - just like the time dilation for the supersonic jets. Use two synchronized atomic clocks. Place one of them on the zero time generator, and the other place aside. Then turn on the generator, wait for an hour, and compare the clocks.
 
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But the reason the rock stays in that circular path is because it is accelerating towards you. When the string is released, cut, or breaks. the rock ceases to accelerate, but moves IN A CONSTANT Velocity (except for air drag, etc.) tangental to the circular path. The string supplies the well documented centripetal force. The equal but opposaite reaction to that force is what you perceive as a centrifugal force. The rock does not appear to be accelerating away from you once you let go, since it (absent air drag) travels at a constant velocity. If it had a rocket motor that fired once it was released, then it would accelerate.
It's okay if you didn't understand how I used the Pythagorean Theorem to show a centrifugal acceleration does exist along the radial path between the object and the previous center of rotation. Math isn't for everybody.

To be honest I've only presented this to a very few people. Maybe a dozen. And as surprising as it may seem, RainmanTime was one of two people that seemed to understand this. The other guy goes by the handle of Ayasano. He wanted to take the math concept over to the physics board and show everybody. I had to caution him not to do that. Too many Physics Zealots that would either castrate or burn you at the stake over there.
 

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You may contact an university and do an experiment - just like the time dilation for the supersonic jets. Use two synchronized atomic clocks. Place one of them on the zero time generator, and the other place aside. Then turn on the generator, wait for an hour, and compare the clocks.
The problem is getting enough interest from people that are capable of understanding this. Those people are few in number.
 
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You may contact an university and do an experiment - just like the time dilation for the supersonic jets. Use two synchronized atomic clocks. Place one of them on the zero time generator, and the other place aside. Then turn on the generator, wait for an hour, and compare the clocks.
If the "zero time generator" actually effects time, I doubt that any difference would be detected in an hour, and might be less than the inherent error in the atomic clocks.
 

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I finished this project in December.
I think that the hull of the DE the USS Eldrige put off a cyclic wave of some sort, which is related to a chargeing eletrical magnetic amplitutde wave, but not just straight amplitude power over the scalier in time and space for this frequency compoent.In other words the rotating counterweights on the YouTube experiment shown, were re-invested back into an electromagnetic wave which wiggled out of this space and time.

What I do not understand is how the entire ship got into an all of time raceway to where this ship came back or would show up in certain water reservoirs.A time machines based on this principle one would have to wear a special radiation suit.Maybe a modified version of a flux capacitor type of apparatus? Thank you, very interesting thought and thread.Pinter

*FATE Magazine, the story of the USS Eldrige
 
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@Einstein !!

In your languaje, i may seem a little stupid, because i can't understand the half you said

But idk why, this is interesting. Please, could you tell me why do you think this gadget modifies G wavelenghts?
 

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What I do not understand is how the entire ship got into an all of time raceway to where this ship came back or would show up in certain water reservoirs.A time machines based on this principle one would have to wear a special radiation suit.Maybe a modified version of a flux capacitor type of apparatus? Thank you, very interesting thought and thread.
I don't think they were attempting time travel. Invisibility was the claimed goal that was being sought. If reports are true, teleportation is what took place. Try to look at the basic forces as being comprised of separate types of space. That would make the basic forces good candidates for extra dimensions. Think of those basic forces as being assembled in a way to produce our current reality. But apparently another way was found to assemble the basic forces. At the time, those forces being manipulated were gravity, time, electric, and magnetic.

Now if you're interested in time travel, I have an entirely different approach to achieve that.
 

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But idk why, this is interesting. Please, could you tell me why do you think this gadget modifies G wavelenghts?
I'm just using existing observable behavior as the basis for my analysis. Centrifugal force develops for any rotating device. But the gadget uses counter rotating weights that develop a back and forth oscillation. There are two sets of oscillating weights that are spatially and temporally out of phase with each other by 90 degrees. I do have to mention that the gadget only works with two counter rotating motors. If one motor malfunctions, all exhibited behavior stops. The way the gadget is setup suggests to me that the gravitational potential energy of the gadget is constantly undergoing change in a rotating pattern. This gadget is oscillating the weight force we call centrifugal force. Centrifugal force is the only force that can effectively nullify gravitational force. Since the centrifugal force is constantly changing within the gadget, a corresponding gravitational force change also has to occur locally within the gadget. So technically the gadget is a gravitational force wave generator.
 

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Now if you're interested in time travel, I have an entirely different approach to achieve that.
I was only interested in the fate of the USS Eldridge as I see a correlation ion principle.Thank you.
 

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I'm just using existing observable behavior as the basis for my analysis. Centrifugal force develops for any rotating device. But the gadget uses counter rotating weights that develop a back and forth oscillation. There are two sets of oscillating weights that are spatially and temporally out of phase with each other by 90 degrees. I do have to mention that the gadget only works with two counter rotating motors. If one motor malfunctions, all exhibited behavior stops. The way the gadget is setup suggests to me that the gravitational potential energy of the gadget is constantly undergoing change in a rotating pattern.
I think that the counterotating weight, on the bars are really meant to be as a metaphor.What came out of Tesla's thinking was everthing functyions at a frequency.So if you convert the actions of those rotating e weights, into parsed waves, this i I feel is your entry key into the frequencies of time and space.


If you read the play by play out of FATE Magazine's excellent article, you'll also find that there were people with portable belt worn devices that materialized inside of a Philadelphia Naval Yard area establishment bar and started a fight.There was also a T-33 jet fighter, that they used a similar device inside of, that made it go zero or disappear. Pinter
 
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I'm wondering why it's the first time I hear about this generator. Seems like a very interesting topic. But I'm still little bit confused about what exactly you will achieve in case of success.
 

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All information on this device and what it actually does appears to have been removed from science. The information on the web claims the device will rotate and produce an external field. Also some unverifiable claim about the device aligning itself with the galactic center.

I built the device just to check out the claimed rotation it is supposed to exhibit. It does indeed rotate. But the rotation isn't just one way. It either depends on the contact area, or the rotational speed. So there does exist standing waves of torque associated with this device while in operation. The standings waves exist in both a space-like and time-like direction. While accelerating in speed, the torque waves will oscillate back and forth, causing the device to alternately rotate clockwise and counterclockwise. If I had a way to change the contact area while in operation, the device would also oscillate back and forth in its rotational direction. Also while in operation there is also a slow periodic disruption of the frequency counter I have monitoring the rotation rate.

Those are the facts I have gathered about this device from my own experimentation. Just from those facts, it becomes apparent that there is a torque wave field that exists at right angles to the individual torques produced by the rotating weights within the device.

I'm not done experimenting with the device. There is a resonant interaction that occurs in the presence of a rotating Tesla coil field. Also just recently with everything on, the device will speed up according to the proximity of my hand to the control panel. The facts just keep getting weirder and weirder. But with facts, at least you have a solid foundation to work with. What will I achieve? You can't make a time machine from theories. But I'll bet you could build one using facts.
 

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Isn't it simply out of balance because of device imperfections? Even if there won't be built time machine out of this, it still sounds extremely interesting. Please keep us posted OP!
 

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Hello,

Has anyone done anymore research on the gravitational, centrifugal, and inertial weight/mass concept?

I liked the idea and wanted to help.
 

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The gravitational, centrifugal, and inertial weight/mass concept, my guess it is all similar but different.

Like a electromagnetic spectrum in how they react differently on object sizes.

I think you are messing with the space of molecules somehow and changing the normal properties to react in a way that challenges normal perception.

I've seen liquid state beer turn frozen instantly due to space shifts of molecules why would they not do something similarly with rotation.