Message To You All

Qronos16

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You all play games about time travel and say this and that about Time Travel.You want to know what is to come?I will tell you!Ask!!! Stop playing games and ask!!!! We have tried to warn you before and all you do is play games! Time is short.You have done nothing to change the future.Ask!! :mad:
 

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Ask who?

So this isn't a game?

Change what about the future?

Ok, I'm game, I'll play for 1 turn and ask.

What's to come?

TTA
 

Qronos16

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To understand what the future holds, you must first understand what is going on now in your timeline.I am talking about what is going on in this country.We have warned you 2 times before.Did you listen? No!! Some of you think this is some kind of game or something.Well let this new revelation began!My name is Wyatt and I was born 11-3-2041.I come from the year 2065.2 of my years ago another one came here on a mission that was a secret one.He took it upon himself doing that mission to warn you all about what was to come.When he returned some things had changed and some things got worse.All in all you guys did not listen.So now group 6 of 10 or Qronos16 which is 3 people to a Qronos unit have been sent to pick up the efforts of the resistance in this time line.We will provide them with ideas that should help fight the bad element that has control over your government.
Right now you are loosing your right and what remains of the United States Of America.If you do not stop it the boarders of the USA will go away and you will be known as the Americas.The middle class of this country will be destroyed and the economy will buckle and fall.Not to mention the race wars that are about to start.I'm sure you think this is all bull.Is it?I could be a nut right?Or I could be telling the truth.Which is it?I will tell you this is the truth.I also will tell you that many of you will die if you do not stand up and fight the NWO.Time is short!
We are in the Southern Plains and we are about to make contact with a key person in the fight.We will not tell this person who we really are but we will give him priceless info that if they move in the right way should overcome the NWO.Why are we now making such a bold move?We have to do this.

So what will happen? I told you.
 
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If he has a Q in his name that isn't touching a U, he's got to be from the future.
Questions:
- What would be so bad about the United States of Canuxico?
- Are you really pretending that Americans' imaginary loss of rights is the reason the US' economy will implode?
- Why is the 6th of 10 called 16? Is thisa part of the New World Order's facsist-math?
- How tall is Mt. Everest in 2064?
 
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:Dwow what kind of time travel machine do you have?? and why are you here to warn us?? and I would like to know when will this start?? the NWO taking over?? also tell me more about it I need a picture of time travel machine from you so I can escape..


but if you going to warn us there are some doubt of it..I think that what you trying to say that john titor story again...write me a message so write back.. :confused:
 

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And the game just never ends, does it?

Freaking fearmonger. Add "revolutionary" to the list of tactics:
We are in the Southern Plains and we are about to make contact with a key person in the fight.We will not tell this person who we really are but we will give him priceless info that if they move in the right way should overcome the NWO.Why are we now making such a bold move?We have to do this.
Please clarify exactly what organization you mean when you advocate an overthrow of this "NWO". I would like you to be crystal clear who you think this NWO is? Because if you are advocating an uprising against, or overthrow of the government of the USA, you're going to have to answer to some folks about that one. Folks who you might not want to talk to.

RMT
 

Qronos16

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First off, I never said anything about overthrowing the government.And I will not answer to anyone in this time.If you don't know what the NWO is, all I can say is go read up on it.As for the rights of Americans! I agree you don't have any rights anyway.I will say this once.You are all going to be marked soon.You want to waste your time thinking anyone who brings this up is a nut, then keep thinking that and watch what happens.LOL you people are really that asleep!!It's amazing.
 

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Friend Qronos16,

You want to warn us about our future, but you can't be specific about what you are talking about? That doesn't go over well. I'm even wondering if the time I dedicate to addressing you is worth it.
First off, I never said anything about overthrowing the government.And I will not answer to anyone in this time.If you don't know what the NWO is, all I can say is go read up on it.
Thanks for, again, not being specific in what you mean. So do you categorically deny that you advocate the overthrow of any part of the US government? It would be nice for you to go on record with this one, specifically. Lots of people would feel at ease if you did.
You are all going to be marked soon.You want to waste your time thinking anyone who brings this up is a nut, then keep thinking that and watch what happens.
Oh I certainly do not think that "anyone who brings this up is a nut". No, no I can think of many other reasons for people to want to perpetrate hoaxes on people. In fact, a much better explanation of such a person being a nut would be that this person has a specific AGENDA for what they want to achieve in their future.

What's your agenda? And in answering this you should assume we DON'T believe you are a TTer, and instead help us understand your agenda as if you were a person who lived in our time (which is really what you are, anyway).
you people are really that asleep!!It's amazing.
Actually, it is people like you who think they can control people with a vision of the future that are amazing. You really must think people are gullible, huh?

Now, with respect to your OP:
You all play games about time travel and say this and that about Time Travel.You want to know what is to come?I will tell you!Ask!!! Stop playing games and ask!!!! We have tried to warn you before and all you do is play games! Time is short.You have done nothing to change the future.Ask!!
Did it ever occur to you that we are smart enough to know that if we do whatever it is you want us to do, that we would actually INCREASE the chances of creating the future that you are here to warn us about? Let me put it another way: If you really DO come from a terrible, horrible future where the US and the entire western culture imploded, then WHY ON EARTH SHOULD WE DO WHAT YOU WANT US TO DO???? I mean really, YOU are from a time we do NOT wish to come to pass. If you are from that time, all you can tell us is what events DID lead up to your future coming to pass. You have ABSOLUTELY NO authority to be able to tell us what we SHOULD do to avoid your future.

So the best advice for people of this time is to NOT listen to you... since you are from a future we never want to have contact with. :)

Thus, you are shown to be irrelevant, friend Qronos16 (group 6 of 10, so why they are 16 I will also question...thanks to MildSkeptic).

Why not tell us the story of the world that YOU want to come to pass? Then we can decide if we want that.
RMT
 

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Qronos,

For the record [currently] i think that you are a bit of a joke, coming here and shooting your mouth off with such vague descriptions on the subject of the NWO. If you WERE a time traveller - i would in fact STILL have this opinion of you (only it would be even more depressing).

If you don't know what the NWO is, all I can say is go read up on it
You'd really recomend people to 'read up on it' and leave it at that. You trust that everyone has the ability to filter through all the crap, and reach/absorb the correct information?!!

I agree you don't have any rights anyway.
Elaborate on this please, I'm not questioning your opinion - but i think you would recieve more favour if you gave more detail in your analysis when you try using dangerous 'shock tactics'...

LOL you people are really that asleep!!It's amazing.
'Asleep', or did you mean ignorant and distracted? Otherwise we might be quite offended - and of course and any INTELLIGENT time traveller would understand how this would not be a productive outcome.

You want to waste your time thinking anyone who brings this up is a nut, then keep thinking that and watch what happens
Yes, a conditioning set about by people such as yourself. Infact, was the person that 'returned' and made some things 'worse', also as ignorant in their approach as you? I'd suspect so...

Well Qrono, In your best opinion - what sort of person is a key player in instigation the downfall of what you consider the 'NWO', what would be their personality(s) and what within which subject matter would they have to be well versed in, in order to succeed. As RMT says - as you don't elaborate on what you think the 'NWO' to be, So by your answer - we will be able to see. As well as being able to find out what you claim to know, and if its of any worth.


Evaluating all your text, i can quite happily come to two conclusions (the only two i can realistically come to);

a.) You are a very poor hoaxer (i favour this senario incidently)
b.) A very dense time traveller (something which would be highly depressing - and also quite unlikely)

If you can't back up your message - why bother to post it in the first place? If you can't answer to us - then disappear...


Kind regards,
Olly
 

Qronos16

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What is my agenda? And I think you are all gullible?

My agenda is to 1.contact the people we came here to contact.2 give more info then Scott and the others did.As for the John story.I'm not John nor do I claim to know John.His agenda was to let you all know that Time travel is possible.His agenda was to show you the tec side of things.Scott gave you the details of what is to come, and after he came home and saw that not much had changed, he fought for 2 years for another mission to this time.Is it possible for more harm then good to be done? Yes.Some of you are so close, many of you have seen what is really going on and have taken action. Do I think you are all gullible? No.I'm not trying to paint anything for you.
The new bill that just passed is one big step in the direction of the NEW WORLD ORDER.If it passes all the way, the middle class people of this nation will be destroyed.But that's not the bad part.The globalist will then have a reason to chip the illegals.Then laws will be passed to chip kids.Then adults.You see what this will cause to happen? I'm not trying to get you to believe anything! You can believe what you want.The facts are what I just told you.As for what you all think of me? You can think what you want.In the next few weeks you will get the answers you want.I will be talking to you all soon.Oh by the way:The New World Order is


The collapse of the Communism bloc and end of the cold war brought about a call for a "New World Order". Most vocal was US president George Bush. Opponents saw it as a one-world govt headed by US or transnationals, oppressing the public through military means and a restriction on individual freedoms like movement or speech.
 

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I often dont post but what the hell.

I just dont get what qronos16 is babblin about.
I mean ok i think we all understand that our boarders are not secure and eventually it may lead to worse problems but seriously, what can we do about it?

You come here with a crazy message (thoe not so far fetched) like we dont know anything of what going on BUT...

Do you know what we can do about it?

Must i leave my home and my family to sit out in the desert great miles away with an illegal weapon and stand post making sure no one sneaks in?

What will happen to my family, home, job and life if i just halt everything and like a nutcase just go out and fight the government?

You tell us what we can do and how we can do it without hurting anyone.

You could say something like maybe talk to your community leaders or find some resources that will provide you with ideas, info or tools to end poverty.

The way i see it most of us are to busy surviving enough to care.
Will i worry about where will i get the money to pay for my next meal and rent or will i worry about how crappy the world is getting?

Tell us how to do it now. Your yelling GO and Do Now! but go where and do what?
Thats what kills me about most of these TTers. Nice and dandy info but ok so what then?

Way i see it the only time people would do anything is when they lose everything because they have nuthing more to lose.
 
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Qronos16

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Yes you are right, talk to your local leaders, and also tell everyone you can about what is going on.The more people know the better.That's what you can do.Print out flyers and get the word out that way.Anything to get the word out.In the next month you will get better details of what is soon to happen.Bye for now.
 

OllyB

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I see you answering a lot of your own questions, yet selectively few of the ones we have asked....

Read my last post and try again. You also never stated what you thought the NWO was, and what subject matter someone would need to be versed in, in order to rise against them.

To all of us here - telling us what is 'yet to happen' is irrelevent.

Careful who you call gullible - to most of us, your tone has already shown up that you are a hoax.
 

Qronos16

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Listen OllyB, I did tell you what the NWO was and part of what they are doing.As for you thinking Im a hoax,I don't care what you think of me.I told you why we are here, and that's that.
 

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Listen OllyB, I did tell you what the NWO was and part of what they are doing.As for you thinking Im a hoax,I don't care what you think of me.I told you why we are here, and that's that.
Listen Qrono,

Actually you told some lame, rather vague story about the 'one world government' and then described it as the NWO. You said something about chipping people and the slimming down of peoples rights (here we go again - thats another claimant to add to the ever expanding collection).

So, I ask AGAIN - read my first post and have another go. You are NOT answering the more difficult questions that are given to you (no surprise there...)

As RMT says (and an important statement) You come from a negative future, you are going to get in contact with someone that plays an 'important role' in creating that future - thus you are creating and solidifying loop that leads straight to that outcome.

Why, it would be more in our best interests to hunt you down and send you back - than sit here like obedient students to your 'pearls of wisdom'.

Qrono, i think what you fail to see here - is how blatantly you are making yourself look like a totally unintelligent individual, with little to no foresight at all. Which obviously, to some of us here, is not a mindset we would readily credit to people that traverse across time.


I think its time to lay this thread to rest - or at least to move it to the Time Travel Claims section where it can RIP with the others.

kind regards,
Olly
 

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First post here, but I've been following some of these discussions for a while, and I must say:

Well said Ollyb!

As has been mentioned (several times) in the pages of this forum, the chances of any "sincere" time traveller posting on a forum frequented by us (so-far) "wanna-be's" are, as we say, Buckleys and none. Basically, no chance at all.

Claims it is!
 

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For the most part, I will leave you in the capable hands of OllyB. And Olly is correct that this thread should have been posted on the TT Claims board. Shame on you Qronos16... but now I bet you will claim the NWO made you do it! ;)
1.contact the people we came here to contact
So could you please just spare us the stories, make your contacts, and then move off to PM or something else where we don't have to listen to your political rants disguised (poorly) as a TT claim?
2 give more info then Scott and the others did.
I'm not going to ask who Scott is, and I ask that you please not answer this unasked question. Would it trouble you terribly to know that the majority of us here don't WANT your information? We consider people from "your time" self-centered, and generally "polluted" by the times you have lived through.

We have a nickname for you people: Goobacks. The term was coined by the folks who, in our time, are pop-culture icons Matt Stone and Trey Parker. In our day they were humble producers of a fine bit of satirical cartoon comedy. But I am sure by your time they are the leaders of the resistance movement against dumbthought.

So why not Gooback from where you came from? :)
RMT
 
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LOL, here we go again, another hum dinging time traveller claiming the usual gloom and doom!!

And of course Javier is the first respondent to this thread asking all the reversal questions back to himself. I'm curious, why cant a time traveller come along that foretells of prosperous things to come?

Will it ever stop? Looks like I got my job cut out for me.

Several more of your IP address are also CLOAKERS!!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=IP+address+61.33.137.24&btnG=Google+Search

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=IP+address+70.159.21.50&btnG=Google+Search
 
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Qronos, I recommend going to this guy you plan to make contact with ASAP, because you're obviously NOT making very effective contact with us. LOL, though I'm sure if we 'printed out flyers' saying: "A stranger from the future told me in an anonymous internet forum that the collapse of the Communist Bloc was a bad thing! BE WARNED! WE WILL ALL SOON BE MARKED! Possibly next month, when all will be revealed!" we'd be taken VERY seriously. Also, have spaces after punctuation been outlawed by the Supreme Executive Despot in your timeline, or are they just in short supply without freedom loving awake people to farm them?
 

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Rianman, take my hand and together, we will be stronger than the emperor.Together, we can overthrow him!

That's a dollars and thirty cents is your change.Your food is at the next window.

Oh'__ where was I?

Yes Qronis, together we can go into the future!
 

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Howdy Qrono,

seeing as you directed the link to me; here is my (hypothetical) analysis...

Yes, this guy is potentially a "major player" in creating the 'possible' future that you have 'claimed' to have come from. If you want to generate (what you might want to describe as) a temporal looped event stream to a 'civil' War (or worse), then you are right on the money.

If however you wan to acquire certain results (without the death toll) you would need to go down another avenue and be more patient. I currently do not believe you have the foresight and intelligence to do this though(hense why i dont believe you).

However - yes i bleieve that such a "major player" could be choosen to bring about a war.

The cynical part of me would say; If you really were what you claim (i dont believe it though) i would view you as a madman with a lit match, standing over a sea of petrol. As a time traveller - all credibility woul be lost.

For all our sakes - we should secretly be hoping that you get hit by a bus, before you make it to that mans house to delude his mind, rather then thanking you for directing us into VERY dangerous territory.

Kind regards,
Olly.
 

Qronos16

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Ok OllyB,


Let's try this once more.I can't delude him.Unlike you, he already know's what is taking place. We have information that will help him even more. We have contacted him and we will meet with him next week.We can not make anything worse by giving him this info. It can only get better. Olly how can he start what happened? This all started in 1963 when an element of the government killed JFK.Who was a part of what happened 1963? Daddy Bush.Who is in charge now?Bush JR. Who is even more powerful then Bush JR? Dick Chaney. Let me ask you this Olly? Have you seen any footage of a 757 hitting the Pentagon? Over 80 camera's around that building on 9-11-2001, and the only footage is of a grainy puff of smoke? Come on Olly! Who told NORAD to stand down that day? Dick Chaney. All this I have said about 911 is true. Documentation of Dick Chaney telling NORAD to stand down that day is easy to find.Let me ask you this? What are the odds of a simulation of plains flying into the world trade center taking place at the same time real plains fly into the world trade center? It is known that building 7 was blown up to conceal the high tech equipment that was in that building to home the plains in on the targets. Even in 2065 no building in history has ever fallen down because of a fire. Even if it did, it would not fall straight down like a controlled demolition. Why did all that happen? To take your rights away in America.To start a police state.What has happened in the USA since 9-11-01?Hitler himself would love the Patriot Act 1, & 2 even better. The Bill that Bush Jr wants to pass is the first major step since the Patriot Acts of pushing forward the plains of the globalist of bringing down the economy of the USA. By making Illegal Aliens legal, or amnesty.If this bill passes all the way, after a short time another bill will be passed to chip the Mexicans, to keep them under control. Then the kids will be chipped to "keep them safe". Then not to long after that laws will be passed for all Americans to get chipped. By the way America will not be the only place doing this.Your credit will have to be in good standing for you to get a job. Sorry I made a mistake, Jobs will require you to have a chip to get into work or clock in.Then not to long after that laws will be passed. Mexico is already doing the chip thing now. Yes it sounds like a bad movie.But it's your future!And I must say things get worse then what I have told you.
 

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ok ur last post just made it brilliantly clear.
u (like me) are one of the conspiracy nutterz. however, i dont go around makin guff up about being from the future of these alleged events. the stuff you are talking about sounds very much like the things me and my mates sit round and talk about after a big green bifter.
Let me ask you this Olly? Have you seen any footage of a 757 hitting the Pentagon? Over 80 camera's around that building on 9-11-2001, and the only footage is of a grainy puff of smoke?
i found it strange they never released any other footage of this crash, but what about the HUNDREDS of people driving down the road alongside the pentagon at the time? was it a massive hologram? where ALL these people paid off to say they saw a plane? are they all part of the conspiracy?

you sound like you have just gone onto the newamericancetury website, taken a lot of their stuff very literally, and made it into a story about "the future". that website is very scary in terms of the remarks it makes about the world, the fact its even called NEWAMERICANCENTURY is a bit scary, but ther are scarier things out there. like this for example; when it comes to people like you, hitler had the right idea, he was just an under achiever. (that might piss a few people off, but hey, i stole it from bill hicks.. so sue me)

go back to your hole qronos.
 

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Yep. It is quite clear that you buy-into someone else's propaganda without ever bothering to research things yourself. Just one example:
It is known that building 7 was blown up to conceal the high tech equipment that was in that building to home the plains in on the targets.
Not only is this not "known" (as in proven with real evidence), but the simple fact is that ALL commerical airliners have sufficient navigation capability and accuracy to hit ANY building in the world without external "homing" equipment. If you understood anything about GPS, Inertial Navigation Systems, and Flight Management Systems installed on commercial jets, you would know that this is a croc.

But you go on believing what you want. It doesn't make it any more true than your claim you are from the future. It will only further warp your mind with unverfied information.

RMT
 

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LOL you are so funny!! LOL!!! They never release any footage LOL. Yes they did norn just in the last couple of weeks. The conspiracy is that a 757 flew 2ft about the ground and crashed into the pentagon and left no trace of a 757 ever crashing.Newamericancetury website? What's that? And what are you doing on the site? As for me going back to a whole. LOL you don't even know what is going on in your own time!! Sounds like you need to get out of that whole yourself.
 

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You guys I tell ya,


Rainman I do not buy into anyone's else's propaganda,these are the facts.It's apparent you have not done any research yourself. If you had, you would know that a building would not fall down from a fire.But lets just say it did fall from a fire, why would the building fall since building 7 only had 3 reported small fires in the building? Why would the building fall straight down on it self like a controlled demolition? Here is something for you, call Alex Jones and ask him how he knew that the world trade center was going to be attacked 2 days before it happened. He has proof he knew and said it on the air 2 days before it happened on his show. How would he know this and the US gov claims they did not know? Hitler said it best, "The bigger the lie the more people will believe it". Sometimes if you hide something in plain site people will never see it.One more thing. I will tell you something about Art Bell from a book that I read that's not been written yet. Before the year 2000 Art and his wife took $80,000 and some gold and buried it in the ground at his home. Art thought that Y2K would be a problem. After his wife died this year and right before he moved to his new home in the Philippines he went out to get the money that him and his wife buried, it was gone. It would seem that Ramona had took the money and done only God knows what with it. Art was sad about that. Now why do I tell you this? It would seem to you this is meaningless. I tell you this because 1 the book has not been written yet.2 only 2 other people know about this right now in this time. Art Bell and the person who will write the book. Now I will not tell you the name of the book. But keep what I have told you here, for you will see that this is true. As for all the things I have told you all about 911, It's all true people. As bad as it all is, it's all true. If the bill passes they will chip the Mexicans and then the kids, and then all of you. You have been warned!
 
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At the time of 911 I did question the temperatures generted by burning Hi-octane.

The simple facts of temperatures:

~1535ºC (2795ºF) - melting point of iron
~1510ºC (2750ºF) - melting point of typical structural steel
~825ºC (1517ºF) - maximum temperature of hydrocarbon fires burning in the atmosphere without pressurization or pre-heating (premixed fuel and air - blue flame)
Diffuse flames burn far cooler.
Oxygen-starved diffuse flames are cooler yet.

The fires in the towers were diffuse -- well below 800ºC.
Their dark smoke showed they were oxygen-starved -- particularly in the South Tower.

So they steel DID NOT melt unless somehow an incredible pressure was exerted ATMOSPHERICALLY on the two tower of the WTC.

However, steel does not need to melt to weaken, yet even if the jet fuel burned at its max tempertaure, which it did not, the steel would still be 50% relative strength. enough still to support the builing, as civil engineers will tell you 33% of the steels strength yield was sufficient to support the towers.so at half strength the steel is stills trong enough not collapse.

What about distortion, steel would have distorted signnificantly across the 'lit', buring levels of the WTC towers, with a notable difference between the side the plane struck and the side the plane did not strike. I believe the steel did not buckle, support from concrete, which was still solid, and the conduction of heat through the steel would have prevented it from doing so. Also HAD it buckled it would be observeable from the outside prior to the collpase, and it would not have collapsed at free fall in a uniform vertical DEMOLITION, it would have collapsed such that the top of the tower would have leant away from the impact side. possible sparing the bottom half of the towers as well.

However, in the rubble there was found melted steel, this could NOT have been caused by the jet fuel, and suggests maybe some other side reaction, themite or a eutectic reaction.

A eutectic reaction requires some form of sulphur pollutant, at which the temperatures would have bee sufficient to form iron sulphide. The eutectic principle sates that at sufficient temperature a component of lloy will become molten reguardless of the melting point of transition metal used. So the Iron sulphide would have become molten, in so doing, it would have further corroded through the steel lattice permeating iron and sulphur futher into the steels supports, and perpetuating the process further, as to tower collapse.

However I do not know if New York has sufficient Sulphur Oxide levels in its local atmosphere for this to occur with atmospheric source, and acid rain can be ruled out as it wasnt raining. other sources insdie the building are more possible if this is the methid by which the steel was found to be molten and slagged in appearance.

Metallugical analysis has not been revealled for the molten/melted steel/metal. So no one can now this completely, whther the molten appearance was Iron sulhide slag, which would ahve been red in colour or if the molten metal was Steel itself.

The thermite reaction could have supplied the molten steel would have been required to have been artificially prepared, with Aluminium Oxide and a heat source greater than the hot jet fuel. So themrite reaction did not occur by the jet fuel heating the steel.

Also the sprinkler apparently malfunctioned.

SO YOU CANNOT PROVE WHAT YOU JUST SAID!

I do find the collapse hard to believe but there are many possiblities to investigate as to the nature of the 'melted metal', and it should be said that if that melted metal were not present I would firmly conclude that the towers hard been artificially DESTROYED!


GS
 

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Rainman I do not buy into anyone's else's propaganda,these are the facts.
Baloney.
It's apparent you have not done any research yourself.
You are absolutely wrong.
If you had, you would know that a building would not fall down from a fire.
Do you want an engineering answer? Or are you not to be "troubled" with those kinds of facts? Fire induces heat, which not only creates increased stress in structural members (due to expansion), but it also weakens the structural rigidity at high temps. Jet fuel burns at VERY high temps. You are WAY out of your league here, pal.
Why would the building fall straight down on it self like a controlled demolition?
It's called gravity. You can even do an experiment of your own to convince yourself of this: Create a structural model of one of the twin towers (including mass fractions above and below the aircraft impact zone). Then severely weaken the vertical structural members in the aircraft impact zone. The WEIGHT of the upper portion of the building is due to what again? That's right, GRAVITY. And what direction does gravity operate in? STRAIGHT DOWN!

If you'd like to have a technical debate on these types of engineering issues, I'd be more than happy to educate you on how your current thoughts are clearly not in conjunction with engineering analysis. In fact, given what I have just presented about gravity and the vectorial direction it acts in, I should immediately ask you to present an analysis of why you think a building should "tip over" instead of collapsing straight down under the conditions that the WTC was in on 9/11.

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As i said metal warping would have introduced a torque to the to half of the tower.
I don't necessarily disagree with much of what you have written, GS. However, any induced torque due to warping would be at least an order of magnitude smaller than the dynamic loads caused by collapse of the vertical load bearing members. Furthermore, there is no evidence that such loading would be asymmetric in any one direction.

I do think that you might be understimating how hot the fire may have burned. Adiabatic flame temps of JP4 and JP5 are in the 1800-2000 degree C range. And even tho not confined within the small volume of the engine's combustion chamber, the volume of fuel (the airplanes were loaded for trans-continental flights) coupled with material in the building burning would certainly put the fire in the range where significant stress increases and significant decreases in structural rigidity would play a factor.

To ensure that friend Qronos has some good material to study, HERE is a civil engineering analysis to review. And allow me to quote the specific area that backs up my claims about stress and rigidity in the face of high temps:
However, as fire raged in the upper floors, the heat would have been gradually affecting the behaviour of the remaining material. As the planes had only recently taken off, the fire would have been initially fuelled by large volumes of jet fuel, which then ignited any combustible material in the building. While the fire would not have been hot enough to melt any of the steel, the strength of the steel drops markedly with prolonged exposure to fire, while the elastic modulus of the steel reduces (stiffness drops), increasing deflections.
And one more fact to consider with regard to "controlled implosions" of buildings: The "pancaking" effect is not something created by the shaped charges or their relative detonation times. It is, in fact, the nature of gravity and mass momentum. So, one could say, that the WTC "pancaking" looked like a controlled implosion because demolition experts use gravity to their advantage in just this manner!

RMT
 

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Rainman,


I know you believe what you say to be true. But I am here to tell you what happened. You can list all the links you want, but the facts are over 70% of Americans no longer believe the official story of the government. The answers are right in front of you.
 

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(Good_Scientist) Looks like someone has done his homework.


Several firemen at the location report explosions right as the towers where falling. Oh by the way footage of the firemen saying this can be found by going to infowars.com. One of the firemen said they heard a boom boom boom like a controlled demolition. But I'm sure he was a conspiracy person to right? He just made that up. No one has explained why building 7 fell? Very small fires but yet the building just fell. Anyway I told you all what happen. That's that!
 

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I know you believe what you say to be true. But I am here to tell you what happened. You can list all the links you want, but the facts are over 70% of Americans no longer believe the official story of the government. The answers are right in front of you.
This is not a very technical rebuttal of the engineering facts I have presented. Care to provide a source for your latest unfounded allegation (the 70% number)? Perhaps an Alex Jones poll?

You can make all the statements you wish to about you "knowing" what happened. The fact that you cannot provide real evidence to support them (or challenge what more than one independent expert analysis has concluded) means you are blowing hot air.

Several firemen at the location report explosions right has the towers were falling. Oh by the way footage of the firemen saying this can be found by going to infowars.com. One of the firemen said they heard a boom boom boom like a controlled demolition.
Can you guess what consecutive concrete floors of a massive building might sound like as one falls onto another falls onto another? Can you provide any technical analysis from a verified expert that SUPPORTS this view? I have provided such that dispels it, so you are going to have to do at least as well as that information to support your (or Alex Jones') claim(s).
No one has explained why building 7 fell? Very small fires but yet the building just fell.
Again, you are just flat out wrong in your first assertion. In fact, a highly respected technical publication had an article that dispensed with quite a few of your hero's conspiracy myths:

Popular Mechanics Debunks 9/11 Conspiracy Myths

Read that whole thing through, and then write to your hero, Alex Jones, and ask him to provide ANY sort of equivalent technical rebuttal to this. He cannot.

Qronos, you appear to be one of the worst cases of how shallow information (which cannot be scientifically validated) can lead you to believe propaganda. The fact that you do not question things very deeply at all, and apparantly do not possess the technical abilities to ask or answer probing questions, means you have a mind ripe for molding and a pocket ripe for picking. I hope you have not given Alex Jones any of your money.

RMT
 

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Rainman


Boy you really don't know what is going on in your own time do you? The poll that I spoke of is a poll that was all over Fox news and CNN. Not Alex Jones. LOL!!!!!! Alex is not my hero, he is a man that is putting his life on the line for his nation. All the things on his website are news articles from many different news sources all over the world. So what are you talking about? Do you even know? You want research? Here it is: http://www.infowars.com/resources.html#TIES now let me guess, you will find some way to explain all that away right? LOL!!!! What scientific proof have you offered? You post a bunch of meaningless babble and then pat yourself on your back. The only thing you have proved is how shallow you are. And give Alex Jones my money? Why would I do that? And again, what are you talking about? You call yourself an American believing everything the government tells you? I'm willing to bet money you think that oil is from a bunch of dead dinosaurs under the ground right? And the reason why your gas prices are so high is cause they are running low on oil, and that they can't keep up with demand.

Alex Jones is a tool my friend. The only thing Alex Jones will be getting from us is info. I feel sorry for you, you really need to wake up.
 

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New Orleans is the city of the dead in 2065. Why does it have that name? It's not there anymore. That city will be wiped off the map. The US stock market will make it all the way to 12ooo and then some and crash big.
 

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No time travel is not illegal. What I'm simply doing is telling you all what is going to happen if the Mexicans are allowed amnesty. I will say this one last time. If Mr Bushes bill passes all the way, and the Mexicans are granted amnesty, that will start a Chain of events. The Mexicans will have to be tracked. They will pass a bill to chip the Mexicans. Ok. Then a little while later another bill will be passed to chip kids "TO KEEP THEM SAFE" Then. They will say it will be much easier for businesses to keep track of employees by getting them chipped. But let me say I think the resistance has delayed this for awhile, not sure yet. Then after they put toll roads all over the place and kill the Internet in the form you know it in now, then they will try to chip all the rest of you. Many people will fight this. Some are now fighting. So many people are now awake that it has slowed the globalist agenda. The Internet 2 will be something you must also fight if you want to be able to do the things you are able to do now on the net. In my past the Internet 2 was born and boards like this was no more.