Mental Time Travel v Phyiscal Time Travel

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What is the difference between mental time travel and physical time travel.

I noticed most of them on this thread focus on physical time travel.

what about mental?

Does it work?
 

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You're not really asking about the difference, are you?
I'm guessing you just want to hear some thoughts on mental time travel per se?

Well, I think this would be a more convenient way of travelling, since you wouldn't have to watch out not to cross paths with your double (since there is none).
And another plus is that you would get into the body of that timeline, meaning people who know you and then see you wouldn't suspect a thing because of your "visual" age.

But there are con's of course. For example you can't take anything with you.
A more indirect one would be: What about the body you leave in the other timeline?
Would it be without a conscious mind since that has travelled back? Or do you merely switch with your past consciousness?

If the last one would be the case it would be a very trying experience for your past's consiousness. A little bit similar to what happend to 2 people in LOST.

Oh, and a big pro I forgot:
You could relive your life and try different choices, without having to fear death, since you'll always end up in a younger body (given that you could travel that far back).
That sure could be VERY nice! I think I especially would try to memorize the lottery numbers from the weeks after my arrival in the past, hehe.^^

EDIT: This way you could even live as long as you wanted. Sure, it will be a loop, but you could always live out your life in different ways, always getting a whole different experience overall. Then again the chance of dying in an accident statistically rise higher and higher the longer you live.
So make sure that if you see it coming or are dying and only have a few seconds left: Shizzle quickly back again!^^
 

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In my understanding it means that you only travel back with your consiousness; replacing or switching with the consiousness in your past self's body.

You could also say it's almost like downloading knowledge from your future self into an earlier version of yourself.
 
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What is the difference between mental time travel and physical time travel.

The problem I always have with disembodied 'mental' things, spirits, ghosts, etc is this :-

Let's say I'm a disembodied mental thing of some sort. I'm floating here, quietly looking at the world around. But hold on..............being able to SEE requires a physical interaction with the photons all around.

It is a basic tennet of science that something that does not interact with it's environment essentially does not exist at all. Things exist BECAUSE they interact. That makes nonsense of the whole notion of some 'non-physical' entity....because by definition...non-physical means no interaction with the physical world....which in turn means the entity does not exist !

There are no two ways about it. You cannot exist within the physical world...even in a disembodied form.....without interacting with it. Those interactions will be physical interactions. They must be. Which means by definition there can be no such thing as a non-physical entity....it is a contradiction in terms.
 

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That might be true, but with mental time travel (at least in my understanding) you're not without a body.
You're "just" switching/replacing your consiousness of your body in the past with the consciousness of your body from the future/present.
 
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What is the difference between mental time travel and physical time travel.

I noticed most of them on this thread focus on physical time travel.

what about mental?

Does it work?
As far as I am concerned "Time Travel" should apply to only physical time travel. In other words, physical bodies are "local" and have location.

Can we say with certainty that the mind is "local?" The brain is, but then in so-called "mental time travel" the brain doesn't actually travel independently of the body (although this is a hilarious idea--it's the funniest thought that has occurred to me in some time, ROFL) :D

If the mind isn't local, then what is doing the traveling?
 

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I'm not quite sure what you mean by "local" but I would think about it this way:
The consciousness that travels (or the mind or whatever you want to call it, but please not soul^^) is like the data on a hard drive.
And sending it to the past is like sending the data of the hard drive via WLAN to another hard drive, overwriting/switching its contents.
Only that you're not sending the data through space, but through time.
 
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Well has anyone been able to do mental time travel or astral time travel? Anyone here at all had experiences with this? tell us all about it.
 

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As far as I am concerned "Time Travel" should apply to only physical time travel. In other words, physical bodies are "local" and have location
I believe this is a good question to discuss.

I would first agree with Packerbacker and his comment regarding the definition of a time traveler.

Those dynamics that are considered to be seperate and distinct ( Physical verses Mental ), are they really ?

It seems that as we advance with understanding, knowledge and technology, that we are seeing the merging of science with paranormal concepts.

We have a preconcieved notion of "time travel". However, if there is some sort of "verifiable" movement through time, regardless of the method, should we exclude those methods because they are different than what we first thought time travel "should" be?
 

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Well has anyone been able to do mental time travel or astral time travel? Anyone here at all had experiences with this? tell us all about it.

I had an 'out of the body experience'....years ago. No time travel involved...simply drifted up to the ceiling. A fascinating experience, and of course one can then no longer doubt that others do indeed have such experiences.

But whether 'the mind' is genuinely leaving the body is another matter entirely.
 

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Well has anyone been able to do mental time travel or astral time travel? Anyone here at all had experiences with this? tell us all about it.
My answer to your question is only intended to show you that the question itself may be incomplete or suffer from lack of clarity:

Me, personally, I would consider it "mental time travel" when I have a dream that clearly spans a longer time than the time I was actually asleep. In other words, I am sure most of us have had dreams where the events unfolded over an entire day or more than one day. And yet, the actual, physical time that our bodies (not our minds) slept through was on the order of 6-8 hours (depending on how long you are in REM/dream sleep state). Hence, without a firm definition of "mental time travel" this would certainly classify as such.

And even a more simple version would classify as such: In my dream I "go back in time" and share a laboratory with Sir Issac Newton and watch him run an experiment. Did this event in the past "really" happen? Who is to say? But did I travel back in time mentally? Most certainly.

RMT
 

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I was also alerted to another notion a while back. This may be too abstract for most people to warrant any merit from it...

It was put forth that;

if an "entity" that was non physical (more accurately, from a frequency we would not associate with the norms of our 'physicality'), was to enter into our reality, They may cause unintentional interfence of certain types upon the space and time grids that structure our reality (a bit like trying to listen to a radio during an electrical storm).

Objects close-by, may travel through both time and space. Or, they may travel through time within the same space and vice versa. Things may age, objects may move, food may suddenly become stale etc. complete by-products, rather than willful actions.

This is probably the single greatest reason why the soviets studied the alledged 'poltergeist' phenomena for so long. Remote Sensing with this kind of knowledge about how Mass, Space and Time are linked could potentially gain you great distance over your 'competitors'.

Also - if such entities do exist, and have noticed us...what could we make them do for us...?



As for the dream state, We may be causing the same phenomena in someone else's reality. That however, is merely speculation on my part.

I think there are many different aspects and forms to time-travel that are not outwardly obvious straight away.
 

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Hi Donald_Patterson:

I have done astral time travel to the future. In fact, astral time travel is a great way to get information on what is about to happen. However, as you go further out timeline divergence increases. That means the information you obtain becomes less reliable. Think of hitting the bullseye on a dart board. As the dart board is move further away it gets harder to hit the center.

The difference between metal time travel and physical is that in mental your body does not go to another timeline. It is like your soul travels and you see the future, but you are still here. In physical you can get "stuck" on the other side and never return. :)
 

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@hdrkid:
You said you did astral time travel to the future.
I hope you don't mind me asking this question, but how exactly do you know that it wasn't just a dream, imagination or strong hallucination?
Did you foresee somthing that then happened afterwards?
And you said that the more you get into the future, the less what you see has a chance of actually happening, because of divergence.
Some people could say that this is a very convenient way for you not to be able to prove your astral time travel.
But how do you begin such a travel? Do you meditate, lie down in bed to sleep? Think a certain thought?
 
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While this isn't astral travel, as far as I know, I once had a perception--maybe a dream I remembered, of standing on the Vermont Avenue overpass of the Hollywood Freeway and looking in the direction of downtown (East). The Freeway lanes had been ripped up and the entire "valley" planted to grass which was a few feet in height. Aerial cars zipped along the routes of the old freeway at, maybe, several hundred miles per hour and four feet or so above the grass. I could see the grass waving as the cars passed above it. The cars were aerodynamic and many colors--red, yellow, blue, and so on. That basically was it. :)
 
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physical and mental time travel require different navigation systems for each. The classic time traveler would use both, so that his/her physical body and mental mind can accompany one another to an alternate time.

Mental time travel is grounded to the 5th dimension, while physical TT is based from the 4th.

I am not sure the exact detail of mental TT. I have a inkling that you can only mental TT to a body that you have some connection with. That connection may be genetic, but I am not sure. It may a type of genetic linking that is mind/soul based and not evolutionary based. Not sure though, so I can only offer that as a hypothesis and not fact.
 

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A good example of mental time travel is Nostradamus. He was able to see our future.

Nostradamus and the Apollo Moon Landing - 1558

Century 9 Quatrain 65:

Dedans le coing de Luna viendra rendre,
Ou sera prins & mis en terre estrange,
Les fruicts immeurs seront grand esclandre
Grand vitupere l'vn grande louange.

He shall come to take himself to the corner of Luna,
Where he shall be taken and placed upon a strange soil,
The unripe fruit will be the source of great scandal,
Great blame, to the other great praise.

My French is not the best, but 'terre estrange' means strange soil. OK some translations have it as - an alien land.

Please remember that the first unman balloon flight took place on June 4, 1783, in Annonay, France, when Joseph and Jacques Montgolfier launched a hot air balloon. October 15, 1783 was date of first human passenger.

It would be hundreds of years later, due the hard work of Wilbur and Orville Wright on December 17, 1903, at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina the first aeroplane flew. However, even then, flights to our moon seem the stuff of fantasy.
 
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'Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour. Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute. THAT'S relativity.' -- Einstein
 

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Me, personally, I would consider it "mental time travel" when I have a dream that clearly spans a longer time than the time I was actually asleep. In other words, I am sure most of us have had dreams where the events unfolded over an entire day or more than one day.

The truly strange thing is dreams where there is a 'history'....and you remember things that did not happen in the dream itself but which are part of the history of the dream. If one considers that most dreams are simply 'ad lib' acting.....this ability to pluck a history out of thin air at just the right moment is quite remarkable.
 
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What's also remarkable is that dream "locations" seem to persist, so you can revisit a place a second time years after the first visit.

But there is also a curiosity. For me, the dream location never looks like the "real" location, and yet they're the same place (somehow). :confused:
 

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There are no two ways about it. You cannot exist within the physical world...even in a disembodied form.....without interacting with it. Those interactions will be physical interactions. They must be. Which means by definition there can be no such thing as a non-physical entity....it is a contradiction in terms.
Observing a television screen doesn't change the program. We can be observed by hyperdimensional beings without their changing the interactions on the holographic program.



 
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First off I have been first stumbled across this website a little over a year ago. I tried for a few weeks posting my own story on here hoping that someone had had a similar experience. Just some sign that I wasn't going crazy. Okay here's my story...

In the middle of 2008 I started having these episodes. I was working a night shift job at a factory then. I would be in the middle of doing something and bamm, I'd be somewhere different all of a sudden. before I would have a chance to think I would understand where I am and what I was doing, I would have no knowledge that I had been somewhere and sometime else a few seconds before. I would be at some point in my past, not realizing that anything had happen to me. It was not that I had no control, but rather I had no knowledge of the future from that point in my life so I would make all decisions as I had in the past, because to me I was the past me. I would live out my life exactly as I had before for a completely random period of time before I'd return to exactly where i was when I left. When I was returned to the future it was like waking from a dream. At first I didn't know what had happen or where I was, then suddenly my memory started to return. Except more violently. I would feel a sudden rush of information coming into my skull the first time it happened I felt sick and stumbled. But the more times it happen the easier it became to deal with. it didn't seem like any time had passed in the present when I would leave. But the in the past their seemed to be no limit. I believe the longest was 2 weeks 5 days. The shortest I can remember is about 10 minutes. I have no control over when I leave, what point in my life I arrive, and how long I stay. I would not even be too certain I was time traveling at all if it wasn't for the fact that I could recall vividly things I had long forgotten, people's faces, a phone number I over looked a million times. Crazy little stuff that I think would put even people with photographic memories to shame over. I felt like it was seconds ago and I possible was. I believe I can only travel to the past, but I do have a very strange memory that seemed so surreal it could be the future or it could have just been a dream I just randomly remembered a part of. This one was of me holding an infant in my arms a woman nearby. The woman and the room were constantly changing, as were the child. at one point it was a dead fetus. This whole thing lasted for at most 5 seconds. The only reason I considered that this was not a dream is because it was from the first person point of view and I never have dreams from the first person. Sorry for this being so long. please tell me if you know of a similar case.
 

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If we live in a continuum of possible realities then there exists regions of indistinguishability where we can trade places with our alternate selves and never know the difference. When the occasional trade occurs outside the boundaries of indistinguishability, we notice slight discrepancies with memories of our previous universes of experience. A rare happening and I wonder how far out we can venture, how strange the realities can become?
 

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Boredom is a subject you can control. Afterall, Einstein came out with his thinking on the Universe.

Out of Mind is really a very stupid idea. Try actually having a thought or two by learning something in your life.

Boredom is a terrible way to go for the mind.
:yum:
 
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What exactly is mental time travel and how can I achieve it?

<font color="orange">hdrkid[/COLOR]

I have done astral time travel to the future.
Can you do astral time travel into the / your past to? Is this even possible?
 
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I guess that depends upon what one believes about the astral (or ether ;) ) realm -
if they believe in it as a possibility in that sense at all for that matter.
Though your question did make me wonder along a different train of thought.
'Was just curious if any research had been done in regards to deep hypnosis and
future event predictability rates?
Maybe just bunk, but an interesting thought.
 
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So has anyone done mental time travel since this was last posted?
People do mental time travel all the time. It is called memories or predictions and feelings about the future. Just today for a split second while extremely bored at work I remembered the 80's and what it is like. Just for a second mind you. I also remember the 70's and yes even the 60's. Life now is not a much different than back in the 90's except computers are a lot better and cell phones are so much funner to play with. I could make a prediction about the future but what I would say on that would not be very welcomed here so I will stop short of that. Time to borrow part of a phrase from Forest Gump time is like a box of chocolates. You never know what your going to get.
 
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Come on dude, remembering things is hardly mental time travel. By real mental time travel I am referring to what others have talked about on this topic with the ability to use your energy consciousness to travel throughout time in a conscious first person state. Remembering something is not really any comparison.
 

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to use your energy consciousness to travel throughout time in a conscious first person state.
Here's the problem(s), Don.

What is the definition of "energy consciousness" and how does that, by definition, differ from memory?

You used the term "conscious(ness)" twice in the same sentence to state the question in a form where one defines the other. That's a tautology.

What is a "first person state" and how does that differ from a person's personal memories?

And last, what do you mean by "time travel" as it relates to some mental mechanism? Time travel (to the past) generally means the ability to revisit events that you've already experienced with the ability to interact with the events - indicating the ability to interact with yourself (your younger self). How does that relate to "mental time travel"? How does one differentiate between memory of an event and "mental time travel"? Be specific, please. We do, afterall, need the ability to run an experiment that can tell the difference between the two to the extent that another researcher can recreate the scenario and get similar results without resorting to personal prejudice.
 
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Here is another problem with mental time travel. OUr science requires test results to be verified independently by third party. With out them, anyone "claiming" to have time traveled mentally is dismissed as crazy. Rather than our society embracing the unknown or little known, we shun it. Psychics, nut jobs, and wackos, and mental time travelers are all put in th same category. This likely has limited many claims to actual experiences because people are afraid of being ostracized, whic has hindered any knowledge base or general understanding of such phenomenon.
 
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Regarding the 'difference' between 'mental' and 'physical' time travel, I would like to quote from the Swetasvatara Upanishad (from THE UPANISHADS: BREATH OF THE ETERNAL, translated by Swami Prabhavananda and Frederick Manchester): "Time, space, law, chance, matter, primal energy, intelligence--none of these, nor a combination of these, can be the final cause of the universe, for they are also effects, and exist to serve the soul...The seers, absorbed in contemplation, saw within themselves the ultimate reality, the self-luminous being, the one God, who dwells as the self-conscious poser in all creatures. He is One without a second. Deep within all beings he dwells, hidden from sight by the coverings of the gunas--sattwa, rajas, and tamas. He presides over all time, space, and all apparent causes...Mind and matter, master and servant--both have existed from beginningless time. The Maya which unites them has also existed from beginningless time. When all three--mind, matter, and Maya--are known as one with Brahman, then is it realized that the Self is infinite and has no part in action. Then it is revealed that the Self is all." This, at least to me, shows that Consciousness and Reality are One, so any change in an effect (say space-time) is a change in Consciousness, and appropriate changes in Consciousness produces changes in space-time. Thus it would seem that any alleged difference between 'physical' and 'mental' time travel is itself an illusion....AUM.
 
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Regarding my previous posting, the word poser in the phrase, "the one God, who dwells as the self-conscious poser in all creatures." should read "the one God, who dwells as the self-conscious power in all creatures." However, since the "one true God" who "deep within all beings..dwells, hidden from sight by the coverings of the gunas--sattwa, rajas, and tamas..." might be considered the ultimate poser/poseur, the mistyping of the word 'poser' for 'power' would still be appropriate...?
 
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then is it realized that the Self is infinite and has no part in action. Then it is revealed that the Self is all."

It's interesting that the vedic writers grasped concepts that maths and science have only recently come to grips with. One such concept is the curious property that a universe that is infinite across space and time is actually ( paradoxically ) a universe without action. Where every conceivable thing that can happen does happen.....one cannot ADD any action or activity to this state or it would not have been infinite.

It's only us human beings, with our sense of seperation from it all, that experience time as a result of that seperation. To a universal being, the whole of space and time would exist as a single unchanging entity.
 

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hi paladius.

galileu was called a "crazy" too, and Einstein also ,probably, called a "crazy'", he made some quotes about the Universe with a higher counsciousness behind.


many scientists and genius ,were called crazies.

some of the recent quantum physics scientists and astrophisics are talking about god and parallel universes, are they "crazy" guys too.?

the Fbi used some psychic guys in remote viewing projects, like scan gate, and more...

are they "crazy"..?

Some quantum physics scientists, like Amit Goswami, are talking about a Universe Higher Counscience, they are scientists with studies
 

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there is no empty space, the air is aether, and for example the sound waves and radio was travel trough aether.

we can receive packs of informations trough aether directly to our subcounscious mind, and there is also the noosphere, and things like that.and we are also connected with the frequency of earth, (schumann resonance) at 7 or 13hz

our brain generates frequencies, due to activity of neurons and biomagnetism, when we are in the Alpha state we are in ressonance with the Earths field, and we receive informations (intuition)
 

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Mental "Time Travel" is not time travel at all. It is a subjective phenomena which cannot be proven . It is better to call it Strange Loop.
 
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what if...during mental time travel, your conscience does go back to a certain point in time and inhabits your younger self, but your present conscience remains in you of now (split in conscience)... therefore you will not know if at all your "time travel" was successful or not. In other words you've just opened another world line.Just wondering.... :)
 
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What is the difference between mental time travel and physical time travel.

I noticed most of them on this thread focus on physical time travel.

what about mental?

Does it work?
Interesting question, I think I can help you understand at least to some degree. When you mention 'mental' time travel and 'physical' time travel, you must first define what is mental and what is physical. The easiest way to understand the concept, I believe, is to think of time travel as a combination of both mental and physical. What I mean by this, is that the mental aspect of time travel is based on the observer who is consciously aware that it is taking place, and is capable of making observations which can be measured, and then observed by others (third party agreement). The physical sense of time travel, while not technically "physical", is based, once again, on the conscious awareness that such a thing is taking place, can be observed, and measured in some way. So in other words, without a conscious observer, nothing can be proven to exist or occur, because nothing can be observed and measured. It can get quite complicated to think about, especially when you get into the idea of transporting information into a 'past' time period, as well as introducing 'new' matter into a time period where it did not exist in the same configuration before the time traveler arrived. There are equations which explain this concept, and actually get around the problem of introducing 'new' matter and 'new' information, because in fact energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only exist in varying formats. As a result, the concept of 'time' can be considered not only inadequate, but incorrect. One of the errors that Einstein made was the idea that time exists at all, which it does not. The term 'time traveller' is not technically correct at all. Instead, the process is actually a type of 're-formatting' of energy. The actual process is complex, and certainly not perfected; however, it works well enough to achieve at least a basic and very limited 'range' for 'travelling through time'. Energy levels required to achieve the shift are exceptionally high, so use of the technology is strictly controlled and its use very limited. It also requires a large facility and a large number of people to achieve results.
 

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Hello - I am keen on the idea of going back to 1994 june 14th. I want to wake up in my 16-year-old body and relive my life differently.
 
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i myself have experienced mental time travel ,and it does work and is repeatable and the ctc opens up at a certain part of the day ,i did it three times and it took the third time to realize that is what i was doing ,and it was not thru transfer of consciousness ,it is like you are physically there just as you are and still the laws of physics are not broken ,but when you are gone in the past its only for a short time and in the present time it seems alot longer ,and from what i have observed ,you can interact but i dont believe you can change the past ,the horizon and the X patterns CROSSING THE SUN and the time the waves hit the earth play a big part in this affect ,the firs time i went back to 1981 ,the second time was 1989 ,i watched myself talking to my friends when i was in junior high school ,thew third time was when i went back to nov of 2013 ,my father passed away ,i got to hug his neck before he died i got to tell him i loved im ,it was then i knew i could not change the past ,but i could relly interact ,i cant say it was a memory ,because when he past the first time ,i did not get to see him ,i believe mental time travel is a very cool experience ,the description of how it works lets say it 3 to 4 hrs till dark ,you lay down and its 6 pm and you lay down ,the doorway opens ______5p__6p__7p____8p___9p then the CTC or window to the past is closed ,in the present time ,the CTC opens ,for about 4 hrs ,now when its dark outside and its 9pm you arent able to stay there you are pulled back to your time ,