John Titor FAKE

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ok so this john titor crap was bull[censored] and if you belive it you are as dumb as the loser that was looking for attention that posted it.. he was asked a question about 2012 and he said "In my 2012, I was 14 years old spending most of my time living, running and hiding in the woods and rivers of central Florida. The civil war was in its 7th year and the world war was three years away. Yes, there are unusual events in 2012 but they do not cause the world to end. Unfortunately, I have decided not to discuss events that you or I can do anything about. It is important that they be a surprise. Perhaps you are familiar with the story of the Red Sea and the Egyptians?" ok so if in 2012 if the civil war was in it 7th year that would mean that it started in 2005 and right now it is 2008 ok so ether the news does not think is news worthy to talk about a civil war for the past 3 years or he was bull[censored]

MOD NOTE: Please clean up your language if you wish to hang out here. OK?
 
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ether the news does not think is news worthy to talk about a civil war for the past 3 years or he was bull[censored]
in his timeline/timeworld...LOL

in this timeline, a lot of changes -shifts- and probably what happended in John Timeline has shifted/changed/delayed 4 year more...in this timeline/timeworld :)
 
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ok if he was to travel back in time he would not travel in to a different timeline... time travel and timelines is like a railroad track if you reverse the train it will not switch tracks.. so if he was to travel back in time he would remain in his timeline and we would be in a civil war if it was
 

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Andrew,

I don't think that you'll find even a handful of people that don't agree that the two Titor stories were fiction. There were two, if you weren't aware of it. The first time he publicized it was in two faxes to Art Bell in 1998. The second time he publicized it started in November 2000 here and two months later continued on Art Bell's "Post-2-Post" forum.

The two versions of the story were somewhat different in the details because Y2K didn't turn out to be a disaster. Oh, yeah. He never bothered to mention while posting in 2000-2001 that he sent the faxes to Bell in 1998. One might 'spose that he didn't figure on someone eventually remembering the faxes...but we did. Unfortunately it was after he stopped posting.
 
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Funny thing is, while we were all discussing it in 2001, there were no faxes to Art Bell from 1998. Those faxes didn't materialize until after Titor left, and I'm not using the word "materialize" casually. I started listening to Art in 1998 because he was chiming the "Bell" of doom about Y2K. I was sweating Y2K like everyone else in the computer field because there weren't enough Cobol coders left alive to get the job done in time. Amazingly, Y2K came and went without a peep from the industries that depend on those ancient programs. A year later, mister "I am from 2036" shows up, hints at having prevented a Y2K disaster, mentions he had never heard of Art Bell in his time (which in 2001 was inconceivable based on Art's huge following, but makes perfect sense now) and offers to take our emails back to 1998. Next thing you know, I've got buildings materializing out of thin air and everyone remembering a couple of faxes to Art Bell from 1998, except for me and a few of my alter vu buddies of course.

None of this proves Titor was a time traveler though. He could be the middle-aged California college grad Darby profiled, laughing his way to the bank (with a jar of coins I imagine based on the pathetic book and movie deal). I would stake my life on this though - the timeline is being altered and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. Who, what, where, when and why you ask? If you figure that out, let me know.
 
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I would stake my life on this though - the timeline is being altered and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. Who, what, where, when and why you ask? If you figure that out, let me know.
k. o.

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Greetings from 2066


It is with mixed feelings that I make this post to your forum. I am a time traveler from the year 2066. My mentor and great friend was the man you knew as John Titor. I have chosen his name as my login only in the hope that it will foster some degree of familiarity to you people of this time.

I have been in your time for many months now, gathering information, and reading your various internet news sites and forums such as this one. I have chosen this site to make my posts for a number of reasons. First, and foremost, because this site seems to be known for its outlandish behavior and strong opinions. Second, this site is quoted extensively in other internet forums and chat sites, which may hopefully give more dissemination to what information I may give.

I am aware of the strong feelings that my posts may generate. This is one of the reasons I am slightly fearful of what may happen. I have searched out and found a number of internet sites that contain the previous posts of my friend, John. I have also seen the great diversity in the emotions his words generated. I apologize for any bad feelings I may create, but I am fulfulling a mission and a promise, so I must continue.

To answer the first questions that should arise, the man you knew as John Titor has died in my time just about one year ago. He was nearly 65 years old. At the time of his death, the existing government of our time, and the military, was debating whether or not to resurrect the time travel program, which had been severely curtailed a few years after John´s return from your time period.

It became self-evident to us that time travelers were making too many changes in the timelines they visited, both intentional and unintentional. As part of the theories of multiple universes, called strings theories by you I think, it was thought that although these alternate timelines were separate and distinct, some sort of interactions could occur between them. In essence, the theory began to develop that a change great enough in an adjacent timeline might cause an inadvertant change in other timelines that were not too divergent. I hope I am explaining this well enough for you to understand. Please forgive if I am not.

John had been my friend for many years, as well as my teacher, mentor, and boss. He had spoken many, many times to me about his experiences in this time period, and had developed a genuine fondness for the people he had met here. Part of my mission, and more specifically, my personal promise to John, was to try and help convince the people here to prepare themselves for the periods of trouble that are ahead for you. That is my main reason for posting here.

I plan to be able to continue here for some time, although I believe that it depends mostly on your response to me. I will respond to your questions, but I must insist from the start that I will in no way give any specifics on any future events that I may know of. The reasons for this should become more apparent as our discussions continue.

I have a great many things to do during my visit here. As a result, I will not be able to spend too much time on this forum, but I will post nearly daily. I know from my previous research that asking you to limit your posts to relevant information will be worthless, but I must try and keep down the amount of information that I will have to read before coming across something interesting. This is something that John warned me about. I will try to be very careful in my posts, so as not to "leak" anything that should not be. There are reasons for this which, again, should become apparent as we work together.

Lastly, I want to express the feelings that John Titor gave to me about the people of this time. He found you most interesting, far more so than he had imagined or hoped for. He found you both infuriating and loveable, if you can understand that. He never mentioned any names of specific people to me, and none appear in his reports, but he did try and give me a sense of what you were like, and why he felt it necessary to try and help. He said to me the last time we met before his death, to say to all of you, "Tell them I have always remembered our online spars. Tell them I was glad I made the attempt at contact, that they had made my life more interesting, and more fulfilling than if I had been simply an observer."

With that, I open up our discussions.

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Funny thing is, while we were all discussing it in 2001, there were no faxes to Art Bell from 1998. Those faxes didn't materialize until after Titor left, and I'm not using the word "materialize" casually.
If you recall, the manner in which the faxes "materialized" wasn't really a mystery. Some of us, Pamela and I being among the "us", later recalled the 1998 Art Bell episode though we hadn't made the connection while Titor was posting. We researched the show archives and discovered the faxes in mid to late 2001. They'd been there all along.

The fax situation is similar to the TTI-Celebration Connection. When Titor first posted here and when Larry Haber formed the John Titor Foundation they didn't figure that anyone would have the ability to make the connection between Celebration and TTI. They apparently assumed that because the IP's didn't appear on the site and that pseudonyms were used there was no physical evidence to link Titor to Celebration. The assumption was false because the connection was on this site buried on a deep back page under Magical Mouse. Once one knew that the JTF was located in Celebration a quick view of the Magical Mouse back page with its link to www.34747.net (Celebration's home page named for its Zip Code) made it fairly clear where the story originated from. With a little more investigation by reading the posts on the 34747 forum one discovered that Raul (MOP) was the web designer, SysAdmin and Mod for the 34747 forum. Raul isn't Titor but neither is it a mere coincidence that Titor decided to post on this site. He had a hot link to this site on the 34747 forum home page.

The only real mystery that remains, and its relatively irrelevent, is who among the members of the JTF was the actual author. Of course the only person who has been completely identified there is Larry Haber. We don't know Ben Z's real name. Larry is an entertainment industry "suit". Ben Z is an entertainment industry "talent". Larry, though he likes to play games, writes in a rather straight forward manner. Ben Z also likes to play games but he tended to answer questions in a circuitous manner not unlike Titor. Larry writes legal documents for a living. Ben Z writes fiction for a living. Larry is intelligent but he's never given any indication that he's particularly creative in the artistic sense that Titor displayed.

Given the choice between the two my money is on Ben Z.

You don't have to answer this question (obviously) but I've wanted to ask it for foe a long time...

Several years ago when I was actively doing Titor research I did some online research on your name Jim (last name...I won't reveal it in a post) in Florida. I only found two matches in all of Florida. One was in deep south east Florida. The other hit was just south of Orlando located about eight miles from Larry Haber's office in Celebration (if I recall correctly near Clear Lake). Are you the Jim (last name) who lived near Larry's office?
 
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Several years ago when I was actively doing Titor research I did some online research on your name Jim (last name...I won't reveal it in a post) in Florida. I only found two matches in all of Florida. One was in deep south east Florida. The other hit was just south of Orlando located about eight miles from Larry Haber's office in Celebration (if I recall correctly near Clear Lake). Are you the Jim (last name) who lived near Larry's office?
No, I'm not either 'Jim Houlahan' you found in your 'research' Darby. That isn't even my real name. When TimeTravel_0 picked a pseudonym for Art Bell's forum, it seemed like a good idea to do the same. Guess I was right about that, eh? Otherwise, I might have been stalked at my home and place of business like Larry Haber was - thanks to the cries of a Celebration, Florida conspiracy.

I'm sure what you really want to know is – am I John Titor? The answer is a definitive NO! Is that clear enough for everyone? No, I am not the person who called himself John Titor, nor did I have anything to do with fabricating any part of that story. Anyone who claims or suggests otherwise is lying with malicious intent. I would consider such lies a threat to me and my family, necessitating the involvement of law enforcement. I'm generally an easy going guy, but I have my limits. I also implore anyone on a hunt for time travelers to not go looking up people named Titor or anyone else. Even if there are real time travelers, you'll never find them. Even if you could, they'd just go back in time and make sure you didn't.

We researched the show archives and discovered the faxes in mid to late 2001. They'd been there all along.
'It's been there all along' is what my wife has said to me on numerous occasions where I've confirmed alterations to the timeline. People who are unaware of a change believe those things were always there. I call awareness of the changes an 'alter vu'. Sometimes the awareness is preceded by a very powerful sensation similar to a deja vu, followed by a recognition of things being out of place or different. The actual changes could be called 'time quakes', 'ripples in time' or something else. I know you're trying to lend credence to your point of view by including Pamela as one who remembered the 1998 faxes to Art Bell. Pamela and I did share some common alter vus but she had some even before Titor left. I had none until after. When I had a major alter vu last June, she didn't. I have no idea why it happens this way, but it does.
 

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Just a reply to anyone who actually wants a response otherwise I want you to think of:

"A quasistellar object."

??

Papers will be due as soon as you write one on "What a quasistellar object means to you in the Grand Scheme of Design according to what you know about this Universe?"

"Spin Happens"! As to those previous words, I guess; those words must be similiar to that other 4 letter word: "Sh!t Happens!"

Does Obama want me to learn that foreign language -- "Rap?"?

I think some foreign languages should include -- science and math and psychology! Without a defense, there may not be a world depending how much stubborn-ness there is with other heads on this Planet of Humans?

Quasi-stellar Object!
 
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Back In 2001 I was waiting in line at burger king, I was talking to a friend of mine about John Titor I said he was fake, I Said I didn´t believe him I went on and on about how anyone could believe him. When a man behind me in line said "You are incorrect" I replied back, "You know about John Titor?" he said "yes .." I asked him "why am I wrong do you actually believe that story" he then reached into his pocket and pulled out what looked to be a business card, on it was a photo ID of the man next to it, said Johnathon Titor. It was dated 2036 and had some kind of logo in the back round of a clock and NASA´s Logo. After that he said "believe me now?" I didn´t know what to say. I asked him if it was photoshoped but he flipped it over and there was a bar code.

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Oh I also remember that he mentioned the tree houses he lived in, and I said if they lived in treehouses to protect themselves from their enemies, and he said no, just that there was a lot of flooding that had not yet happened.


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I'm sure what you really want to know is – am I John Titor? The answer is a definitive NO!
No. I was wondering if you had ever gone to Celebration to talk to Larry had you been the person who lived next door to Celebration.

There is no Celebration "conspiracy theory". Ben Z is the one who said that the story, at least the portion that included Mom Titor, was created in the VISI Corp/Front St. Productions studios. The Book, the fake extra manual pages inserted into the version of The Book that could be purchased through the JTF directly and The Radio Program, according to his story, were created in the studios on Front St. The Book wasn't written by Mom Titor and the Colorado Attorney - it was written by the Book crew in Celebration.
 
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I was wondering if you had ever gone to Celebration to talk to Larry had you been the person who lived next door to Celebration.
I had nothing to do with that. The entire spectacle sickened me. You have a brilliant mind Darby but, like most brilliant minds, you lack a bit of common sense. There are desperate people that come here looking for a way to fix their broken lives through time travel. As ridiculous as it sounds, they are out there. What if someone had been killed over that? And for what? To point and say, 'I told you it was a hoax!'? Good God!
 

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If you recall, the manner in which the faxes "materialized" wasn't really a mystery. Some of us, Pamela and I being among the "us", later recalled the 1998 Art Bell episode though we hadn't made the connection while Titor was posting. We researched the show archives and discovered the faxes in mid to late 2001. They'd been there all along.


Darby,
I didn't "later recall" anything. I don't remember them being there on Arts site before John left. They seemed to me like they just appeared. I wondered why no one made the connection that was familiar with Art Bell. I didn't even know about Art Bell in 1998.I didn't even go online until 1999 Because I didnt have a computer.

It was weird to me though that Qflux had posted an "altered" version on another web site. It also surprised me when Oliver Williams said Qflux writes to him all the time and that she is female. I just dont know which fax was accurate. Qflux's fax could have been altered to show John knew about 911.Or Art Bell changed the original. Which ever one was altered it was done professionally. I listened to both faxes and still have them somewhere.




The only real mystery that remains, and its relatively irrelevent, is who among the members of the JTF was the actual author. Of course the only person who has been completely identified there is Larry Haber. We don't know Ben Z's real name. Larry is an entertainment industry "suit". Ben Z is an entertainment industry "talent". Larry, though he likes to play games, writes in a rather straight forward manner. Ben Z also likes to play games but he tended to answer questions in a circuitous manner not unlike Titor. Larry writes legal documents for a living. Ben Z writes fiction for a living. Larry is intelligent but he's never given any indication that he's particularly creative in the artistic sense that Titor displayed.
Given the choice between the two my money is on Ben Z.

I talked to Ben Z several times and he didnt sound like John wrote. I believe he was someone just hired by Larry.
Also he did admit that the book and the extra manual pages were fake. The question is why they went to Oliver Williams site to get the info? I also noticed something very weird is that the music on Olivers audios sounds similiar to me to the JT radio programs music. No accusations here I just thought it was rather weird.



Several years ago when I was actively doing Titor research I did some online research on your name Jim (last name...I won't reveal it in a post) in Florida. I only found two matches in all of Florida. One was in deep south east Florida. The other hit was just south of Orlando located about eight miles from Larry Haber's office in Celebration (if I recall correctly near Clear Lake). Are you the Jim (last name) who lived near Larry's office?

This is really wrong that everyone is being investigated. I am glad he was smart enough not to use his real last name.
I really think Jim just had weird experiences because of it. But we were also contacted by a person who claimed to be a time traveler and that he was investigating John and that the results from the investigation caused all of the ripples.
questions were answered in quite some detail.






'It's been there all along' is what my wife has said to me on numerous occasions where I've confirmed alterations to the timeline. People who are unaware of a change believe those things were always there. I call awareness of the changes an 'alter vu'. Sometimes the awareness is preceded by a very powerful sensation similar to a deja vu, followed by a recognition of things being out of place or different. The actual changes could be called 'time quakes', 'ripples in time' or something else. I know you're trying to lend credence to your point of view by including Pamela as one who remembered the 1998 faxes to Art Bell. Pamela and I did share some common alter vus but she had some even before Titor left. I had none until after. When I had a major alter vu last June, she didn't. I have no idea why it happens this way, but it does.

Yes, I had some weird things happen when John was here. Also I had that dream starting in April 1998.
But the strongest was after he left. Nothing has happened for years now for me. (Thank God)
I think Jim and I have been pretty open and honest with everyone..maybe too much so.
 

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No such thing as too honest pam. In fact people like you and jim are the refreshing light that uplifts this place from is dank cynisism. I am not sure what I believe about this thing anymore... but I have decided to leave my mind open, like you and like jim.

Cause at the end of the day I still don't believe any of us know the complete truth, despite what others might say to the contrary.
 

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This is really wrong that everyone is being investigated. I am glad he was smart enough not to use his real last name.
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For you to follow through on being entirely honest with the group and with Jim, as you stated at the end of your post, you might want to reveal to them that you were one of the people doing the research. One of your stated motivations to become a Moderator on Anomalies was to have the abiliy to see member's IP's in order to assist you with your personal research. When you came to places where you didn't have the knowledge or background to do the online research you asked me on several occassions to assist by doing it. And those situations did include doing online background on some specific people that you thought might be Titor or somehow associated with the Titor Saga. Off the Titor Saga it also involved doing the same regarding Dr. David Anderson.
 

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For you to follow through on being entirely honest with the group and with Jim, as you stated at the end of your post, you might want to reveal to them that you were one of the people doing the research. One of your stated motivations to become a Moderator on Anomalies was to have the abiliy to see member's IP's in order to assist you with your personal research. When you came to places where you didn't have the knowledge or background to do the online research you asked me on several occassions to assist by doing it. And those situations did include doing online background on some specific people that you thought might be Titor or somehow associated with the Titor Saga. Off the Titor Saga it also involved doing the same regarding Dr. David Anderson.

My how you do twist things Darb. One of the reasons I quit as a moderator was the interrogation I got from the other mods including YOU to try to make me reveal Titor's info when I refused I got treated pretty badly. You kept pumping me for info that I didn't want to give so I pointed you to
several other people like Thomas Dehn so you could go investigate him. I never did any professional investigation. You are the one who has a background in this not me.

Just because I was a mod you said I was part of the investigation team. I never wanted to be part of your team. I wanted to find out who John was because you had convinced me he was a fraud and fake and used me and you were there as my friend to "help me"(clever strategy on your part back then) so yes, I told you I wanted to be a mod just so I could check the ID numbers to see if he was still posting. However, I was not willing to depart with confidential info he had given me. Although you and Rick did try pretty hard I stood my ground. People have to merely go back and read the posts to see what went on.

Jim was my friend are you trying to make him think (and others reading) that I somehow helped you investigate him by how you posted that? Nice try.

I truly believe you still want to find out who Titor is I wouldn't be surprised if you had investigated the whole board including me, where I live, work etc. You have havn't you?
It seems to have become an obsession with you. There was no reason to investigate Jim.
What the heck did he do? What made him stand out to you? Because you found out he lived in Florida??
Investigating Jim was just wrong and sorry to say you are going to have to live with that yourself.
and anyone else you investigated on this board in your obsession to find out who posted as John.
From what I have read most people don't even care anymore.

I personally think you are just board because there are not too many posts and you need something to do. You forget that I remember you admitted you try to stir things up on purpose online just to get conversations going. You twist things around and post things that make it look one way when it was actually another or make it seem like it was something it wasn't. Its all in your careful wording.
I am actually tired of correcting you. You say I did this or did that (for example remembering the faxes on Arts board in 1998 when I didnt even have a computer then). There are several other things you have said that were wrong and I have just let them go. John titor was seven or eight years ago for me. Its been YEARS. I don't care about it as much as you do anymore.

Let's read how you started out here again:
For you to follow through on being entirely honest with the group and with Jim,as you stated at the end of your post, you might want to reveal to them that you were one of the people doing the research.
See how you worded that Darb? Was that wording to cause Jim not to trust me anymore? To make him think that "I" somehow investigated him with you? Nice try Darb. But I have had years of practice on how you operate.

And you wonder why there are very few posts on anomalies time travel forum.

I am not going to play your game Darb. Go find someone else to entertain you.
 

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Just a reply to anyone. I was just reading a few pages again from Dr. Michio Kaku's book "Parallel Universes". The heading of the few pages (I did not read all of it) was "Mini-black holes" and what it would mean to create those if that were possible by smashing together protons at the high energies of the LHC when it comes on-line. What size they would probably be, and what they might prove about parallel universes actually existing.

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Just a reply to anyone. I was just reading a few pages again from Dr. Michio Kaku's book "Parallel Universes". The heading of the few pages (I did not read all of it) was "Mini-black holes" and what it would mean to create those if that were possible by smashing together protons at the high energies of the LHC when it comes on-line. What size they would probably be, and what they might prove about parallel universes actually existing.
The most important thing was a stable mini black hole to avoid the Hawking radiation
Remmember its only given off when an unstable singularity evaporates.

LOL

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Re:One of the Original Titor Eight was:John

See how you worded that Darb? Was that wording to cause Jim not to trust me anymore? To make him think that "I" somehow investigated him with you? Nice try Darb. But I have had years of practice on how you operate.
you right Pam!

blast from the past:

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Having been one of the eight of us that use to correspond with John Titor when he posted in the old Art Bell Forum on the Coast to Coast website. And one of the eight of us that recieved a 'special gift' from John. I can tell you this.

He did very much talk about 9/11 and warned us of it. No not the event itself but John told us he choose to come to 2000 for a very good reason. It 2000-2001 was going to be a "KEY" event as to why the second civil war would break out. 2000-2001 was a KEY moment in Human History and John wanted to see the world as it was BEFORE this key event happened.

John's hobbie was History, he was a historian and he wanted to document and see the state of the United States before this Key Event because much of the knowledge of that time was lost in his timeline. He also told us that George W Bush would win the election and that election would end up in the courts. Following that election the start of "Police State" of the Federal government. John also told us the pretext for the police state would be the EXCUSE of TERRORISM.

Also John told us that CERN Labs would discover in their NEW supercolliders the ablity for TIME TRAVEL. Do Goggle CERN's new supercollider and pay close ATTENSION to the claims that the new Super Collider may infact unlock the secrets of TIME TRAVEL :) John pointed this new Collider as his PROOF for his claim. And its HERE Right on TIME as HE PREDICTED..

Damn you should have taken stock in CERN. We all did! ;)

John's time line is a bit off then how history is unfolding yet John told us there was 4-8% divergence between how he remembered his history commpared to our time line. This is explained according to John in that the Time Travaler does not come back in time in his/her exact timeline. But Jumps into a quauntum parallel universe. (our current time line compared to his.)


The next think coming down the pike in the next few years will be a conflict over Taiwan between the United States and China. This conflict will result in a limited nuclear warhead exchange between (2010-2014) the US East and West coasts will be hit HARD.

Also keep an eye out with the 2008 election. We the United States will become a TOTAL Police State with the 2008 election and its President (no I'm not going to tell you who it will be.) Just say who ever it will be will turn out to be Americans version of Hitler and Homeland Security the Gustopo. The "Civil War 2" will start very very very soon and will rage Hot until the surprise attack by China in 2014.


If you haven't prepared for rough days. DO IT NOW!


That is all..


One of the Original Titor Eight.


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Mr. Darby, when are you going to stop with the witch-hunt and use that acquired knowledge of yours? in the earlier posts i gave you transformations for time. special relativity can be used (ignoring gravity) in the quantization of time. i have not given you the discrete derivative, but if your clever i think you could find the time evolution of a wavefunction.

i recommend that the tti members help raul design and upgrade his shop as well as, integrate some math in the forum if you have any questions ask them .
 
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like this?

[a] phi(x) =<0lphi(x) l0 > + ?(x),

where <0lphi(x)l0> is the vacuum expectation value, and
m2^<0lphi(x)l0>^2

represents the particle's density of the ground state in the non-realtivistic limit. The action of this field in the presence of gravity is...intrinsic gravitational cosmological constant
Lambda/ 8piG
receives a contribution

(1/2) m2^<0lphi(x)l0>^2.

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Just because I was a mod you said I was part of the investigation team. I never wanted to be part of your team. I wanted to find out who John was because you had convinced me he was a fraud and fake and used me and you were there as my friend to "help me"(clever strategy on your part back then) so yes, I told you I wanted to be a mod just so I could check the ID numbers to see if he was still posting. However, I was not willing to depart with confidential info he had given me. Although you and Rick did try pretty hard I stood my ground. People have to merely go back and read the posts to see what went on.
...which is what I said above in my post. You were one of the people, for whatever particular motivation on your part...it did vary from individual to individual, who was doing research on other people.

It was disingenuous for you , with that innocent "but not me" lilt in your "voice", to point fingers at the other members here who might be doing research.
 

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...which is what I said above in my post. You were one of the people, for whatever particular motivation on your part...it did vary from individual to individual, who was doing research on other people.

It was disingenuous for you , with that innocent "but not me" lilt in your "voice", to point fingers at the other members here who might be doing research.


Just to let you know Darby...I do know the extent of some of those researches people have done. People do write to me you know. You'd be surprised I do know the name of the guy who worked at the cable company who got into my file and told people personal info that was contained there.(When I had a cable roadrunner email address.)

Checking an IP number for myself that only I know to see if John was still posting and keeping the info to myself is entirely different than doing background checks on people. You know it. I know it. And if you feel guilty about something you only have yourself to blame.

If members here want to do extensive research on people, dig into their personal files, find out where they live and work and their last names etc... Then I guess they may have to face the consequences for doing so someday.

Actually if I ever do meet John and he was real I am going to bring up that little cable guy's name. Hopeing John will kick his @ss. ;)

Because you know what... I shouldn't have to be afraid of people coming to my house and stalking my house like they did Larry Habers. It may all be a game to you Darby. You keep saying it is after all. But I do think the "researching part" has gotten a little out of hand with some people.

And no. sorry. I never did anything like that to anybody. I don't even have the capability to do so.

I hope that little cable guy is reading this as well.

Thats all I have to say about that. enough is enough.
 

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If it makes you feel any better darby ran a criminal backround check on me back when me and RMT were arguing. He wrote me a very pleasant email filled with warnings and insinuations asking me to leave RMT alone. Sadly Darby did not get his monies worth as his service informed him that I was on probation for a drug charge which was not the case.

I shall always remember Darby for that, exactly for what he is.
 

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If it makes you feel any better darby ran a criminal backround check on me back when me and RMT were arguing. He wrote me a very pleasant email filled with warnings and insinuations asking me to leave RMT alone. Sadly Darby did not get his monies worth as his service informed him that I was on probation for a drug charge which was not the case.

I shall always remember Darby for that, exactly for what he is.
The part that you are leaving out is the fact that you used the same "researching process" against me that Darby used on you. You researched publically available information about me to identify who I worked for and prove you could get my work phone number. You even went one step further, for because my work desk phone number is NOT on the internet, the only way you could have gotten it was to call the main switchboard for my company and request my desk number. So it would appear you went even further to "stalk" me than what Darby found out about you on the public internet.

So what you forgot to say in your reply is that you did the same types of things to me that Darby did to you (dig up info on the internet about someone). I wonder why you did not wish to admit this action of yours against me? It is part of the story of why we were arguing, is it not? I would also point out that at no time during our argument did I think it was appropriate to go searching for information about you on the internet. I didn't go searching for things about you on the internet, did I?

RMT
 

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Just a reply. Exactly with the Washington D.C. neighborhood lock down, exactly why the correct type of controls have to be implemented also on this grand technology idea of talking over the Internet to this world. Except.....................some people's ideas really are not all that great or better actually, just usually made because of nervousness and instability of emotional thought processes. Nothing that really helps in the end with providing any kind of debate on the real issues of how to use "Freedom" to actually mean "Freedom" for everyone. Kind of like the fastest spin that overtakes the normal spacetime and deposits someone somewhere else in another type of spacetime, one way you may live, the other way it just became your worst nightmare and you never return again. Either way it has become a dilemma and the lack of forethought became the worst kind of hindsight.
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At the risk of engaging wits with an unarmed man I shall explain exactly how I got your work number RMT.

Cigman mentioned that you worked for northrup in that thread you were threatening to sue me over. I dialed 411 made the long distance call and then just asked the desk clerk for your number.

And I took it there because you made all sorts of legal threats. I am still certain that if I were YOUR boss I would not approve of how you choose to spend company time. But hey, we dropped that long ago didn't we.

Now, I did not pay for a criminal background check like Darby did. In that polite email of his, he did list some of my history accurately but I was surprised by the inaccuracies too.

He certianly is not getting his monies worth.

You know Mr. Science Spirit, a little more humility wouldn't hurt ya. A humble man leads a happy life ya know.
 

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Checking an IP number for myself that only I know to see if John was still posting and keeping the info to myself is entirely different than doing background checks on people. You know it. I know it.
The discussion here is the finger pointing. You didn't qualify the original accusation. Now that people know that you were as "guilty" as anyone else you feel its necessary to qualify your research efforts with a rationalization. You're a good hearted snoop. Everyone else are evil snoops.

Do I feel guilty. No. But I'm not doing any active Titor research anymore in any case. Have I been annoyed at myself in the past. Yes. I was probably most annoyed at myself over the "Kumagoro" Thomas Dehn affair. The Karl Simanonok episode was equally annoying.

You recall Kumagoro. It was 2001. You were actively doing Titor research and came to me with a Titor Suspect from another forum (About.com - a forum that I'd never heard of). You were sure Kumagoro was Titor and that he was running a sock-puppet, TTITO2, on the same forum. You asked me to help you.

You were quite happy with the online research that I did and discovered that Dehn was Kumagoro. You ate up the background information. You were happy, that is until you realized that you'd made a mistake relative to his profile...the religion thing. Remember? Wrong guy. After the "mistake" was discovered you never even heard of Thomas Dehn. I did the online apologies to the forum and I did the offline apologies to Dehn. You went silent on the subject of the "mistake" and slinked away.

I was also annoyed at myself regarding Karl Simanonok. That was 2002. Another Titor "suspect" that you brought to me for background. Once again you were very happy with the information. Looked good to you. Then he befriended you. Once again you never heard of Karl Simanonok relative to being a Titor Suspect. Once again you went silent and slinked away. And once again I did the online and offline apologies.

As I said above, you had your own reasons for doing research on individuals and research you did. The difference between you and me was that when you got stuck you asked for my help. When the information didn't pan out you chickened out. I, at least, fessed up to the mistakes and made personal contact with the people to offer my apologies.

Yeah, that annoyed me. Not the apologies - those were necessary. It annoyed me that you chickened out and didn't offer your own online apologies for your part in the SNAFU's. Did we start to have "problems" with each other after these two incidents in 2001 & 2002? Yep. We sure did.

And just how any of the above was "keeping the info to myself is entirely different than doing background checks on people" is a bit of a stretch. You took particular delight in publically outting Dehn on Group.com as a hoaxer based on the information that you had on him from the research.
 

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Recall,

I stayed pretty much clear of that one. But you're correct, Pamela didn't have much of a problem outting Gary Voss...again based on research into that particular person's background.

I'm not particularly faulting the effort - Gary did cross the line. It's the claim of innocense in revealing the fruits of research versus keeping it private, as claimed, that's at issue.
 

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As I said above, you had your own reasons for doing research on individuals and research you did. The difference between you and me was that when you got stuck you asked for my help. When the information didn't pan out you chickened out. I, at least, fessed up to the mistakes and made personal contact with the people to offer my apologies.
Integrity. It is one reason I admire you Darby. And unfortunately, as you point out here, integrity is often one of the first things to go by the wayside in the wild and woolly world of the internet, and esp. internet hoaxes. Given that the John Titor story was most certainly a hoax, what does that say about the hoaxer's own integrity?

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I'm new to the board. I heard about this John Titor thing a few years ago from a friend and looked it up to see what he was talking about. I read all the posts, and they were an interesting read. I believe it is a hoax though for various reasons.

John Titor had a very laid back approach to this time travel business. It seemed like if anyone called him out on it, he would say stuff along the lines of "I have no need to prove who I am" or "How would you prove that you were a time traveler?". Basically, he is saying "You cannot prove I am a time traveler, nor disprove me, you either believe me or you don't, I don't care".

By this logic, I could really be an alien from outer space, just stopping by to see how humans interact with one another. You would ask me "If your really an alien, show me a picture of your space ship!" My reply would be "Well I am just here for observation, so whether you believe me or you don't is irrelevant. I have no need to prove myself". You would say "Unless I see a picture of your spacecraft, I don't believe you"

And I would say, "Doesn't matter if you believe me. I am having fun interacting with you humans and I just hope to be amusing."

Eventually I would have to show a few pictures, because not everyone would be as gullible as a few who would probably believe me. I would take a picture of my Ford Ranger, and say "Due to our advanced technology on my home planet, we are able to disguise our spacecraft as normal vehicles when not in use, so we don't draw unwanted attention to ourselves."

Then someone would ask me to show a picture of myself. My reply would be "Here is my picture. I am a shape-shifter so I am disguised as an ordinary human. If you were to see my true nature, you would probably die from the shock. Our true "bodies" are what you humans would consider "hideous".

There would be some people who would claim that I am just an ordinary guy trying to pull a hoax. "It doesn't matter if you believe me, since my goal here is not to convince anyone. I am simply here for observation"

After a while, I would probably get bored with keeping up the hoax, so I would make some kind of dramatic exit. "When I finally go back to my home planet of Maarlarrk, I will leave behind a video of my departure."

I would then e-mail Pamela, and say "There will be many hoaxers trying to say they are me. You will know who I am if I decide to return, when you ask me what the name of the secret song is. I will reply "The secret song is "Never gonna give you up" by Rick Astley."


See what I'm getting at here? This John Titor guy was obviously someone with time on his hands. As long as he acted like he didn't give a flying fart whether anyone believed him or not, he could say anything. Make up some predictions on things that one could speculate would happen, and keep people eating out of your hands. Doesn't matter if you don't believe him. That wasn't his mission. He could have been Elvis for all we know, but we couldn't prove or disprove him by that logic.
 

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Just a reply to anyone.

But how far can reality bend the fabric of spacetime before it bends beyond being a reality that can be ever grasped or with tools - measured, as in the impossible and it becomes unreality which to our perception was what we thought was what we called 'reality'? Can we ever know or have some sense that concludes that there is more out there to the 'reality' if we could only begin to have some inkling of acknowledging that there is?

We can perhaps assume that a black hole will bend gravitation beyond the normal spacetime and be extreme in the fact that it may bend back on its self. But can mathematics ever prove how much it bends back on its self if there is no way to try an experiment to really see if that is what happens or did it all end up being some other form of reality we can really never grasp?

Well, perhaps we really will never know. We humans were only here for a brief period of time (or the total time of what reality can change into.)

Boggles the mind, don't it?
We seem to want concrete answers for something as abstract as not knowing.
 

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Just a reply to anyone.

Bubble Up! Double your Bubble, Double your Fun!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7440217.stm

Why is it now that you can view the source coding of a webpage but can not copy the dang URL to post it. Oh no, you must hit Crtl-C to copy instead of just clicking the Edit menu item 'Copy'.
Everyone should use this whatever it is - Internet Explorer 7.

No, I have not downloaded SP3 for XP. I refuse to!
Well, so far.

And if the dang Country wanted coal liquifaction plants, like the Airforce does - for jet fuel - 30% would be that - it could be done in a couple of years. Oh, no, you have to have 4 years of paperwork first because of the red tape involved just like an oil refinery and another 4 years to build it. There is nothing wrong here - it's just your imagination on how this Government runs. It use to be rob Peter to pay Paul and the left hand don't know what the right hand is doing. Now, it is just don't pay anyone, and actually a person on Coast to Coast AM last night thought that was weird. It is not weird. That is just the way that it is. Paperwork.

Oh, and Jesus Christ was on the radio (someone?) the night before. George Noorey said on Monday night he is a good person though and really means to do good for people talking to him. I guess Jesus Christ has his own radio show sometime also on a day during the week. I do not know when, but all I can say is:

Bubble Up!
"Freedom" has to be defined once again for those who have no ethics, well, anyway, none that appears to agree with other people's ethics.

Well, let Jesus save you, and if you think that this person is Jesus then what do I care. I just do not!

Now back to the prime time episode -- JT -- He hears us when were sleeping. He knows when we're awake. He knows if we been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake. Oh.......................
Oh, that is Santa Claus. Well, you know I get confused sometimes, afterall, I keep turning on some electronic gadgets and end up seeing another side of humans that defy description, at least to me.

Well, I wonder if there will be time after this universe also. As before, as after, I suppose???
Well, the brain is mainly empty spacetime.
 

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If Darby isn't a disinformation agent, he should apply for that job somewhere - LOL!
Hmmm...kinda got lost for words after my last post didn't you? The only thing that you could think of was "disinformation"?

Whre's the disinformation in the Tom Dehn, Karl Simanonok and Gary Voss affairs? You initiated the efforts to do the research on all three of them them.
 

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Hmmmm...I wasn't really joking when I posted this to you:

"I am not going to play your game Darb. Go find someone else to entertain you."
 

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IOW Darby, she does not wish to admit you are correct and you caught her in hypocrisy.

It's OK Pamela, we all get caught in hypocrisy of some sort at some time in our lives. It hurts less if you just own up to it.

RMT
 

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I see what's going on here. You don't know me rainmantime. If this is what you want to believe
about me I could really care less. I told my story long time ago. I don't have to defend anything.
Maybe it would amuse you to start a little thread called "Pamela is a hypocrit" God knows you don't seem to have anything better to do.
This is the same thing they do to people who claim to have seen a UFO. They try to character assasinate them.
I have a feeling this board is going to become like Anomalies board.
 

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..... :( I want to offer some words of encouragement... but its not easy. All I can say is just try not to let them dim your light. Neither darby nor RMT lead quality lives as shown through their internet postings of negativity bent on argument and belittlement so that they can feel better about themselves.

Something to keep in mind.
 

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Pam Quote"I have a feeling this board is going to become like Anomalies board."
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I know you don't know me and probably don't care. I remember reading a LOT of your old posts. Trust me that took a long time Pamela. I can see how ya started out. Seemingly wild eyed and innocent. I also watched the posts change over the years. I can't be entirely sure what took place with you over that time, I won't even pretend.

I will say this much, the caliber of content in this forum is exponentially greater then in ANY other forum. Honestly, after this much time, its SPOOKS me that you are still here. That single fact weighs heavier on my soul. It defies reason. I ask myself WHY you would stay in an abusive relationship with this forum over ALL this time. I start asking myself "Why".

The very idea that I might get an answer spooks me. I want to make it dead clear, "I don't want you to answer it". I point out that a lot of the things that are said are in jest-to maintain an intellectual position-to clarify-or to razz an answer outa someone.I for one for whatever reason am on your side, even if it is just for the romantic notion that Titor was right.

I hope this in someway helps you to remind you of younger days when the world was a little brighter.

-Greg
 

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Quit giving Orders. None of you people run this Nation. There is no paper work signed or delivered to your door, yet. This old kind of anti-social type of behavior has been here before, and for the last 40 years with civilians that can prove it, so do not start it up again. Some even have witnesses. Do not think that any of you are talking to a hunk of meat, for the attitude will be dealt with as if you may imply that you seem that you can be a Nazi. If you do not like it, then you can consider the same as what happened to other civilians that were attacked, have witnesses, and lead on by older ex-veterans in this Nation who think that they know everything, but like usual, only ended up to be liars, playing upon others, who some still in a sense do that to this day. No one wants to hear it, nor does anyone have to continually put up with it. A certain local area has some of these people still in it, and still it goes on in this Country. Plainly put, either this Country will pull together, or it may well end up with Titor's future. Do not imply that anti-socials in this Country still continue on with the bullheaded attitude that simply is not working in this Nation. So far, that does not mean the current President, but still disaggreement will be a concern. It is not this Country's duty to enslave the entire world in a debate over what other Countries are doing just to prove that it can, that it can continue to be dominant, that some sort of religion or duty or honor prove that the attitude can continue without perhaps having serious consequences for the future. Humans will make mistakes, but God will judge, and perhaps according to other Internet websites He has already and found it lacking. I do not know for sure, I do not claim to talk to God, just pray. But if I had to get along with certain people in this Country, I would claim (and don't worry prove it) that all there is to either political party is some sort of mentality that seems to border on fanatical behavior, as long as humans think that they can get by with it, and claim that the Past does not lead up to the future. I am sure all these self-proclaimed professors of knowing all can not begin to prove it, but always come out and talk the some old game they been playing in the Past. Vague is for a reason, for if anyone thinks that everyone should be able to defend his/her self then it was not taught in this Nation while the liars abound with their Adversity. Unless you can build a time machine like Titor's then all of it is conjecture, even the talk about others making up the story, and even fitting the science into the scene when it is not and can not be proved, nor really disproved. All the problems can be mentioned, but that is where it stops. We all are not here to become Nazis, so be careful in what you state, for if you had real proof as some others do have but are ignored or still in a sense attacked for what they bring up, then you better had walked several miles in his/her shoes. Other than that, you would only be guessing, and so far the guessing is being wrong, for example, perhaps in the case of Iraq. The world is already back to posturing and persuading like some politician's persuading that the Governor of Illinois be impeached. It is not seemingly clearcut talk but still sounded like a politician's persuasion going on. That may be useful to lawyers and their type of talk, but if the glove don't fit, then why do still some people keep holding on to the attitude. It was thrown out of the LA Court when it happened, and still it goes on with some people. So, it may be assumed and rightly so, that the world will end up being more bullheaded than it needed to be, and in the end, some people thought that it was their "Freedom" to do all that aggressive, competitive type nature stuff.

So far, nature of the Universe will probably be that there are strange places in SpaceTime that humans may never get (by the masses of the many people) to go to. It was like climbing a very high mountain. Only certain people attempted it, and not as many as perhaps some other people thought their should be. Changing the world to only include your way of thinking by means of what some people do, will in the end only prove that God owns this Universe and God owns this Planet in the end. That of course, was not really what they were actually doing. No, they were actually doing their attempt at control of this world, and humans can debate whether it is better in God's hand than any human on this Planet. So enough out of some people that they think that they know everything, they do not, and neither does anyone else, including me. To think otherwise, is not even a consideration by some people, yet they continue to have to put up with people who do. Believe me, I do consider it to be against the laws, but as always the correct laws not the Adverse laws that only humans may continue to come out with. Perhaps people should have been a little more respectful of having a future in the first place, than trying to control the future, which may be an impossible goal.
 

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I partially agree with your hypothesis Timenot_0.There are forces within our society that would prefer total control.I feel that most of their responses are far more insidious.
For example,

* If Obama was Assassinated and the black communities rioted, would white America cheer if President Bush declared Martial Law and brought in troops to "quench the riots",would white America cheer for President Bush?*~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Would that fit your profile?

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Sadly though I think, TimeNot_0, you missed my point, I did not put quotations around Pams quote.
I have attempted to correct that error in my previous post by labeling the first sentence as Pams quote.
The post was actually met as a letter of encouragement to Pam and was a response to her.

I reviewed my post and I found NO point did i give an order,suggestion and only a slight hint at advice.

I believe this may have been a response to a slight clerical error and I hope this has resolved it.I still am unsure how to "[*Quote*]" in this forum.
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To be totally honest though, I think your response is Completely within the "Subject " of this post and you may be replying to "Re: John Titor FAKE".

Which in that case, I may be wrong for Posting back to you.Mistakes are made and easily remedied.

I hope that I have corrected any error and responded to your post in a way that will repair any misgivings.

Now , Where were we?Anyone?
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It was not about anyone here on this forum and it happened in the Past.
It may happen because some people think that they have the freedom to have sort of a cult town. (say Momons for example). It also may be happening today with Oklahoma declaring its sovereignty. As far as I know, usually in the Past, some communication like 'you won't get any more Federal money then" is usually stated and the state backs off. In other words, if all 48 States told the Feds - we don't want your mandates or your money - go to - then the Feds would be back to about doing what they should be doing according to how the U.S. Constitution is interpreted by some people, and that is smaller Federal Government, and their hands out of people's pockets. That New York and LA do not pay for it all or those States, and enough is enough and whatever else the Feds wanted States to do -- all seemingly being politician's persuasions.

And it seems no one is actually sure about Oklahoma (the State) as of now. And it is also called -- We the People - run the show here, not you the Federal Government Congress or President and any emotion that is felt - that other people state have led to a Civil War before in this Country.
 

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It's adult education in a sense. Much like quasi-particles. Your quasi-particles are not behaving correctly. So says you! Well, we think your quasi-particles are mal-aligned. So says you! And on and on, except with what is normally going on in this Country -- taxes, income, and general feelings of how people feel and think.