INTENTION->Information->Energy->Force Creation

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Each Human Free Will Posseses The Ability To FREEly Express Its INTENTION.
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Each Intention Takes In And Gives Off Information To Create Its Free Will.
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Each Intention Takes In And Gives Off Energy To Create Its Free Will.
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Each Intention Takes In And Gives Off Force To Create Its Free Will.
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FORCE, ACCELERATION, and GRAVITY are the Fundamental Physical Metrics Of Our Interactive Universe.
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I think that intent an free will are two sides of the same coin. As you can't intend without free will and you cant have free will without an intention. And i also read your equation as suggesting this on some level.

I don't think i know exactly what RMT is saying as i might have read what he is eluding to wrong, but it seems to me that from looking at his equation, the he is of the opinion that the universe consists of Energy that originates ultimately from intention (and freewill). Or in other words conscious intent. Only i know that he is not the sort of person to phrase it like that, as its not precise enough for him.

Intenion breeds energy which becomes the forces that we can measure in the 3-D. It would also indicate that we can tap into the higher dimensions of information that originates from intention and freewill. An 'absolute' record of all past information connected to free will and intention.

Which may be what some people call the Akashic records (please feel free to stop me RMT if you think i have this wrong). And what RV'ers and such like sometimes access to achieve their purpose, Or rather, their intention to extract specific information.


( If you had just created the 'Grand' universe out of yourself, and you wanted to learn about it in all possible ways. There is only one way to do this and that is by seperating yourself from the knowledge that you have created it. So you could explore it in an unbiased manner including (to name one example) the mental perception that you are subject to it rather the other way around )

Its almost a voyage or self discovery that is carried out via self expression. You can't do this without free will This includes all negative and positive expressions of intent.

Its literally like creating your very own matrix and then subjecting yourself to experience all effects with in it. Which at some points will include lossing the perception of unity and experiencing complete separation. Which is about the stage we are slowing starting to re-evaluate on a conscious level on this planet now. infact, RMT's 'physical matrix' is a good term, as it also illustrates that you'd need to also be subject to physicality in some why to experience it fully. A good way to do this would be to jump inside a physical body and evolve through living it!!

i believe that there are many other physical/non-physical matrixs that we will live and evolve within after this one.

But i'm going off-topic now...

kindest regards,
Olly
 

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I should also point out that i am of the opinion that Astral time travel is simply another variant of Remote viewing. And this may not be that the 'Astral body' as it is terms, actually travels in time, but rather views and relays information from a higher dimension - Like downloading the information you need via conscious intent and direction. Similar to how dreams are also downloaded interpretations from higher dimensions of information. Which is often why the two are sometimes linked.

The Akashic records are not subject to linear time, so it would also be correct to say that its stores records of what we would also percieive as future information.

I'm also just trying to link some of this subject matter back to time travel to show that it should still of interest for a lot of people, regardless of its untestable and abstract nature.

kindest regards,
Olly
 

RainmanTime

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Great post, Olly!

I think that intent an free will are two sides of the same coin.
Yes, this is one way to think of it. Another (possibly more instructive) way to look at it would be as opposing points on a circle...a closed loop (another one of my favorite technical topics). Furthermore, we can align these two opposing points on a closed circle with two other major "events" called Life and Death. The popular view is to see Life as a straight line with a beginning (birth) and an end (death). But if we change our view and use the predominant shape of the universe (the circle) we can see that path from birth to death is one half of a closed loop. The other half is from death to life. We can then make the final relationship as:

LIFE is to FREE WILL as DEATH is to INTENTION. IOW: During LIFE we can exercise our FREE WILL to Create anything we wish. During DEATH we review our life's creations in an attempt to determine what we INTEND to do in our next life. A case for reincarnation, perhaps? :)

Intenion breeds energy which becomes the forces that we can measure in the 3-D.
Yes, but don't forget the Information. Intention can only achieve the Energy states required to manifest 3-D Force by way of Information (the Akashic Records).

Which may be what some people call the Akashic records (please feel free to stop me RMT if you think i have this wrong). And what RV'ers and such like sometimes access to achieve their purpose, Or rather, their intention to extract specific information.
By golly Olly, you've hit the nail on the head! The Akashic Records are the SUM TOTAL OF ALL INFORMATION (including that information that describes things that have already occurred, have yet to occur, or may not ever occur within our current universe). It is the vast sea of ALL possibilities.

And you are also correct that the Akashic Records are "outside" of our thought and perception of linear time. This is what I believe I have quantified with my equation "I = ms^3". If "s^3" is any volume, and you set s^3 equal to the bounds of our known universe and "m" is the total mass enclosed within that volume, then my equation claims that this is what defines the sum total of the Akashic Records: ALL Matter and ALL Space, regardless of TIME.

Its literally like creating your very own matrix and then subjecting yourself to experience all effects with in it. Which at some points will include lossing the perception of unity and experiencing complete separation. Which is about the stage we are slowing starting to re-evaluate on a conscious level on this planet now. infact, RMT's 'physical matrix' is a good term, as it also illustrates that you'd need to also be subject to physicality in some why to experience it fully. A good way to do this would be to jump inside a physical body and evolve through living it!!
You are dead-on Olly. Very good, indeed! The most obvious place to see this evolution (and where it is heading to) is by viewing our past evolution. And this is precisely what I am trying to show with how the Age of Force lead to the Age of Energy which lead to our current Age of Information. Each new age represents an understanding of a larger piece of the whole universe, and how it works. Even though we "naturally" evolved through these ages (thanks to Science) it shows that there is a natural "plan" built into the universe, and it can only go in one direction!

Next Stop: The Age of Intention! The age in which we finally come to PROVE that there is a life BEYOND our "Triplex Physical Matrix of Massive SpaceTime". That "life" beyond Massive SpaceTime is "the other side"...the spiritual side.

Now, I know there are people out there who will continue to deny it, but this IS the age we are living in. And to those who do not accept the new reality (which the merging of Science with Spirituality will bring forth) are unfortunately going to be the ones "Left Behind" (and I don't mean that in a Catholic/Christian sense, or in any sense associated with any man-made religion). And what is odd is that there will be "people of science" left behind because they cannot accept the spiritual element, and there will also be "people of religion" left behind because they cannot accept the science that may tell them their man-made religion had some things wrong (in an attempt to CONTROL your Energy!) Yes, those who will NOT be "Left Behind" are those who can successfully integrate the important lessons of BOTH Science AND Spirituality.

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I should also point out that i am of the opinion that Astral time travel is simply another variant of Remote viewing. And this may not be that the 'Astral body' as it is terms, actually travels in time, but rather views and relays information from a higher dimension - Like downloading the information you need via conscious intent and direction. Similar to how dreams are also downloaded interpretations from higher dimensions of information. Which is often why the two are sometimes linked.
I agree. And there is one thing that we should note about the human body: We are polarized, just like an antenna!

INFORMATION comes in at the head and Mass and Space (i.e. we ingest food which is Mass that occupies Space). And our senses of sight, smell, taste are also based upon Mass and Space. And while we do not think of it as such, stuff that comes out the other end is also INFORMATION (waste products and either sperm from the male or the complete baby from the female). All of this information in the form of Mass that occupies a specific Space.

The Akashic records are not subject to linear time, so it would also be correct to say that its stores records of what we would also percieive as future information.
And as I always like to point out, it also contains information that is neither past, nor present, nor future in OUR universe. When we say the Akashic Records contain ALL information we must not fall prey to the tendency to limit it to our experience within our universe.

I'm also just trying to link some of this subject matter back to time travel to show that it should still of interest for a lot of people, regardless of its untestable and abstract nature.
Another thing I always say is that we must FIRST come to an understanding of what Time is (an illusion of convenience for our linear perceptions) before we can understand how to travel beyond it.

Good work, Olly!
RMT
 

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Iridium, the completely misunderstood big question about 'free will' is of course, is there really such a thing as free choice? The answer is YES! And it's as simple as this… We all have free choice – it's whether or not you are going to connect or not connect to 'source'. Source - being in rapport with nature and nature using the instructed design and energy force of G-d. A good example of this instructed design is the logarithmic spiral found in nature, which helps create structures that are incredibly strong and where only the strongest species and structures survive.

All of our struggles, all of our illnesses, all of the scarcities in our lives, all of the problems we have in our relationships… all of this stuff comes about because we 'disconnected' ourselves from a field of 'intention' that is nothing but 'well being' at work. As it says in the good book at the very opening pages of Genesis, G-d (source) cannot be anything else other than what it is – which is good! On all the days of creation G-d saw that his creation 'was good'.

Therefore, every thought that you have that is other than that which you "emanated" from is "resistance". It encompasses every unkind though, every uncreative thought, every thought of judgment, every thought of fear, every thought of depression – 'all resistance' and we loose our connection with 'source'. You see because the creative source reacts to your beliefs with a fulfillment of your beliefs. So if you're praying about what's missing in your life and ask for it to be fixed, you'll have your belief in what's missing fulfilled and refocused for you. The universe/G-d/source only conspires with you, when you surrender to loving receptivity which includes practicing radical humility where you begin to realize that you are not this body that you are in, you are not this mind you are in, you are not any of the possessions that you have, you are a divine source. Also practice being in a constant state of gratitude and happiness, because you see, happiness in something you decide about ahead of time… its how you arrange the mind.

I should also point out that i am of the opinion that Astral time travel is simply another variant of Remote viewing. And this may not be that the 'Astral body' as it is terms, actually travels in time, but rather views and relays information from a higher dimension - Like downloading the information you need via conscious intent and direction. Similar to how dreams are also downloaded interpretations from higher dimensions of information. Which is often why the two are sometimes linked.
Well Olly, this is a huge debated and (another) completely misunderstood subject. Well firstly to understand what 'consciousness' is? Let say (for what ever reasons) one finds themselves unconscious… breathing is slowed and regular, your heart is beating and although your pulse is weak, it is there. You have lost consciousness, but your body has not. It seems to be functioning quit well and appears to have its own consciousness that directs the activity of the organs. Let us call this 'rudimentary' consciousness. It is the 'wisdom of the inner parts' of the body. Now the rudimentary body does not seem to worry about the head/brain. It is some other consciousness that worries about it. There appears to be two kinds of consciousness occupying our body, one is 'higher consciousness', which is easily dislodged from our body by mild unconsciousness, then there is another more rudimentary consciousness, which knows how to run a body even when the higher consciousness is gone. Then there could be a worse case… suppose you are closer to death. The rudimentary consciousness will do its best to keep the body going, but when it sees that the situation is beyond repair, it will also pull out and get 'lost'. Than you go through the process of dying as the rudimentary consciousness extracts itself slowly from the body… sooner or later the body becomes really dead and both consciousnesses depart.

Now when this happens, consciousness 'reflects' a copy of itself outside the bounds of the physical body, either while it sleeps or during any kind of conscious OBE. This reflection is a kind of energetic echo containing a complete copy of consciousness, mind and memory outside the physical body.

Now 'if' during sleep or conscious OBE the etheric mind can stay awake in the trance state, it is capable of recording a 'dream memory' directly into the physical brains storage mechanism of the physical brain. This reflected reentry is crucial (for memory) and if handled intelligently can capture and download the projected/reflected doubles (duplicate shadow memories) into accessible levels of the brain during reintegration. Ironically, this is why most people fail to remember their dreams or recognized that they had dreamed at all (I await the day that spirituality can teach a thing or two to science).

Now to understand the 'reintegration process' better, this base level replaces any higher levels of consciousness and 'overwrites' any memories gained independently by consciousness on higher levels… the stronger base level 'replaces and overwrites' the higher level. The lowest level of consciousness always replaces and overwrites any higher level… other memories are lost or downloaded into inaccessible levels of subconscious mind and memory – they have to be stored in simple base level format if they are to be recognized and remembered by the physical brain.

This also brings up another unproven debate on UFO and alien abductions… We are not actually 'physically' taken by these aliens… they know how to induce this 'reflected state' in us simply because they are already in the 'spiritual or etheric' state/realm. Their purpose with us of course is our physical body because they are 'what the good book has claimed' fallen angels who were cast out of Heaven. They were originally made perpetual spirit beings to serve G-d on a continual bases… They live forever and were not made to create, procreate and bare offspring. When they were cast out of Heaven they yearned for the physical body. And this is why they abduct us and try to interbreed with us…

So yes, they are "real" in a spiritual sense.
 

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well, i read this board every single day looking for an interesting read, and this particular thread made me curious. i see you guys regularly blast people who claim to went back in time and met with moses or god or whom ever, also get onto people who are obviously religious. now from this post it seem as though you believe in a spiritual aspect of life? does that mean you believe in life after death or am i mistaken? i am just curious. also what is the deal with this whole remote veiwing astral traveling thing. i would never claim to have traveled through time, but for some reason i do have very vivid dreams of the future, some of them near future, and some of them many years away. it may sound crazy but more than a couple of them in the past seem to have happened, and it is sort of freaky when it happens, so what are your thoughts on that? would be very interested to know. i would be more than happy to put some of them out there for your amusement, and if they are wrong so be it, i am making no claim,...but if they happen....well who knows.
 

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Good post, CAT.

And not to ignore the points you made in it, but I think it is time for me to connect a few more dots with respect to the title of this thread. In fact, to those who are able to "get it" it may end up being one BIG dot connection! ;)

As most of you know, I am a SYSTEMS engineer, and one of the disciplines I teach in the aerospace engineering department at Cal Poly, Pomona is SYSTEMS engineering. I have also made it very clear that it is my belief that the precepts of closed-loop control SYSTEMS provide some very deep insights into what our universe, and ourselves, are all about. So in summary of this, SYSTEMS THEORY is the branch of science that I believe will show the greatest success in merging with the concepts of spirituality. And now it is TIME I explain one very large connection between SYSTEMS and the progression of INTENTION->Information->Energy->Force as forming the constructs of Creation and Perception in our universe...

We analyze any SYSTEM by separating it from the rest of the universe, defining its INPUTS and OUTPUTS and quantifying the performance of the FUNCTIONS that operate on the INPUTS to Create the OUTPUTS. Well, here is the "connect the dots" part: We can classify ANY and ALL of the INPUTS and OUTPUTS to/from a SYSTEM into three distinct categories.

Any active SYSTEM in our universe has INPUTS that can be classified into: Information, Energy, & Force. The same is true of any SYSTEM'S OUTPUTS. And all you need to do is look at the most amazing SYSTEM that we know of, the human body, to see the undeniable truth of this. The FORCES of Nature act upon our body in ways that allow our physical body to exist, as well as causing our physical body to age. Furthermore, our bodies exert FORCES on the things in our environment around us as a means to Create the world we wish to live in. Our bodies require ENERGY as an INPUT (food, water, heat, and air) in order for our physical body to survive. Furthermore, our bodies give off ENERGY as OUTPUTS (heat, waste products, and the motions that we exhibit as we exert FORCES). Finally, our senses (and our faculties beyond our senses) deliver INFORMATION to us as INPUTS that we use to make decisions about what we are perceiving and what we wish to Create next. Furthermore, the motions of our bodies give off INFORMATION as an OUTPUT that can be perceived as INPUTS by other beings.

Is this not clear? Can we not see that the SYSTEMS that are our human bodies operate on, and generate FORCE, ENERGY, and INFORMATION, just as does any other SYSTEM in our universe? And if we can all see and agree this is true, then the connection to INTENTION should be obvious.... it is that One, Single, Endless, Omnipresent, FIELD OF INTENTION from which all Information, Energy, and Force flows! Call it "The Source", call it "The Force", or call it "God"... it is actually beyond any kind of name. That field of INTENTION is responsible for all that is, because no SYSTEM could come into being or continue to operate without the emanations of Information, Energy, and Force that it provides to this universe, which is the Creation of INTENTION!

And each and every one of us, with our Free Will, is a finite piece of that infinite field of INTENTION.

RMT
 

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ok, i get the whole force, source, god thing, but what are you saying about our physical selves, when who we are, our brain, dies? what then? do we just become part of this endless source and recycle back into this big circle of creation? and what of the other question i ask about the viewing, projecting thing? does it have any revelance to anything, or is it just another grasp by so called time travelers who can't possibly have the scientific knowledge about time machine production. a way to say, well, i didn't really go with my body in a really neat machine, but my brain went?
 

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Greetings eyecare,
but what are you saying about our physical selves, when who we are, our brain, dies? what then? do we just become part of this endless source and recycle back into this big circle of creation?
Almost. You already ARE part of that endless source. As CAT said, we are not our bodies, we are not even our minds. You, at the core of who and what you are, are pure INTENTION. In your physical body you have an ability that the vast sea of Intention does not have: The ability to manifest your Intention and experience that manifestation. This is why the closed-loop of Creation and Perception is central to physical existence. It is the only means by which INTENTION can make something manifest so as to experience the result of Intention. Experience is a reflection of our Intention.
and what of the other question i ask about the viewing, projecting thing? does it have any revelance to anything, or is it just another grasp by so called time travelers who can't possibly have the scientific knowledge about time machine production.
I have said on this forum quite often that I do not believe the "romantic" notion of time travel described in books and movies can ever come about. And furthermore I believe that the scientific basis I am putting forth with Massive SpaceTime and the layers of Information/Energy/Force show this clearly. You won't violate the "barrier" of linear time at the level of Force. You won't even be able to do it at the level of Energy. As we can see with movies and interactive rides (such as those at Disneyland) we are approaching the ability to do it by integrating the technologies of Force and Energy with Information. IOW we can appear to travel to another time with such devices, but only as a passive observer. What this progression of development is implying with regard to the hierarchy I lay out in this thread is the following: We will ONLY be able to "travel in Time" by integrating Force+Energy+Information in addition to ascending above the level of Information and passing through the vast sea of INTENTION. And to do this we will NOT be able to maintain the shape and form of our current bodies. One way that this is currently done is through astral travel, but we are on the verge (as we finish the age of Information and usher in the age of INTENTION) of developing a new way.

a way to say, well, i didn't really go with my body in a really neat machine, but my brain went?
Well, your brain is a physical "machine", but I think I know what you meant. Maybe I can help you, and others, understand by aligning the four layers that are the title of this thread with the four layers of our being. Let's go from bottom-to-top:

Force -> Our physical body, which includes our Central Processing Unit (brain).
Energy -> Our conscious mind, or "meta-body/brain" which executes on/in our brain.
Information -> Our subconscious mind, or soul (which Freud told us operates on symbolism...information) which is a higher-level, non-linear process executing on/in our brain.
INTENTION -> Our spirit, which although it is connected to our soul/mind/brain, is NOT limited to our bodies or our brains. Our spirits span infinite space... the entire vast sea of Intention. At this level, we all are truly One. It is only through how this Intention focuses on the lower levels that we express ourselves as being different, and separate.

Did that help? And again, I wish to call attention to the fact that I am connecting spiritual concepts with existing science. I cannot (yet) provide "scientific evidence that would be acceptable as proof" that this is true. However, each person can read and contemplate what I am presenting and come to their own conclusion if the connection is really there.

RMT
 

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Ray, thanks for the 'good post' remark!

But another great thought has just occurred to me… There may not be proof (or enough proof) of such 'spiritual separation', but a startling strange one comes to mind and although it may sound religious in nature, I'm going to spill the beans anyways…

In realizing that material things are an illusion of empty space… Their solidity is an illusion created by the electro magnetic force field that binds the atoms together. On the sub atomic level all interactions and contact begins with the exchange of photons between the atoms of objects. But when we change our perception of the body (where most people think of their body as molecules, flesh and bones). And realize that the body is also an electromagnetic field, and a body of light where everything that happens in our body is a result of the electromagnetic fluctuations of photons…

Given that, some say the laws of nature cant be broken! But how do we really know what the laws of nature are pertaining to the material body? For example, Jesus resurrection… the more I read the story I'm beginning to see some similarities… One being that strangely after Jesus death, within a week the disciples who went into 'hiding' are now out 'confidently' preaching. Something must have sincerely made them believe that He was resurrected… however that happened, they were convinced and gained a 'new knowledge' that they could also go out, and the worst that might happen to them is they might get killed, and He was too, and look if He could beat death, than so could they…

Even James, Jesus brother who originally thought He was crazy was later convinced and shortly after was stoned to death…

It also mentions that the disciples didn't recognize Jesus at first. And that was because the astral body appears a little different. And in Jesus case, it probably looked better than its earthly image. He was a man with a mission in life and still remained a man with a mission after death...

Well, I cant say much for science, evidence or proof, but it can be argued that more has happened in Israel to change the world than any where else on earth.
 

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Yeah, i agree CATS astral post was pretty good. And verly likely the case.

Only - what makes you think the aliens were cast out of heaven?
 

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Only - what makes you think the aliens were cast out of heaven?
It makes an attempt to describe them in the Bible… Only it doesn't describe them as per say, aliens. But what is alien??? It's something unfamiliar, unknown, strange, foreign and unidentified.

However the Bible does specify that they are light beings. We are in a sense too, but what separates us from them is the diminution of light. The diminution of light is separated by the upper and lower worlds from higher degrees of existence to lower ones, a chain of downward gradation, permutation and emanation of life forms.

And this is why certain things are visible to our human eyes while others are not…
 

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CAT,
However the Bible does specify that they are light beings. We are in a sense too, but what separates us from them is the diminution of light.
Yes, indeed and this comment is right on que. For isn't it interesting how Einstein's treatise on light and "c" was the driving discovery that helped us transition from the age of Energy to the age of Information? It is my thought that as we live through our current age of Information that we are coming to learn how Life and Creation exists on both sides of the "barrier" which we call the speed of light... or as you rightly point out as simply another diminution. It is obvious and we would all agree that we are sub-light Beings. The fact that there are supra-light Beings is what we are going to have to come to grips with, once and for all.
The diminution of light is separated by the upper and lower worlds from higher degrees of existence to lower ones, a chain of downward gradation, permutation and emanation of life forms.
Well, of course. And to resurrect a thought that we discussed back in the days of the "God?" thread and good ole trollface: Isn't it interesting how humans are Beings centered on the Information of DNA, and how our DNA is nothing more than a lower grade of emanation of the Creative Force?

Please...keep sharing your pertinent thoughts on these topics. We all need to help each other pass from the age of Information on to the age of Intention! ;) And perhaps it is Time for me to start a new thread that further connects some contemporary issues in physics with respect to standard, quantum, string, brane, and M theories? 10 or 11? :)

RMT
 

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Others Are Catching On!

Check out this paper (emphases included are mine). John Titor claimed to be a time traveler who was telling you about our future, which is of course hogwash. I am an engineer who dabbles in the theoretical sciences. I don't claim to be a time traveler, nor make any other wild, unbelievable claims. And yet I am telling you about how our past and present are leading to a VERY clear view of what our future will become! And unlike John Titor, I won't "run away" from the predictions I am laying out in these posts. ;)

RMT

> "Nature Physics 1, 2-4 (2005)
> doi:10.1038/nphys134
> Is information the key?
> Gilles Brassard1
> 0.Gilles Brassard is in the Dpartement d'informatique et de
> recherche oprationnelle, Universit de Montral, Qubec H3C
> 3J7, Canada. e-mail: brassard@iro.umontreal.ca
>
> Abstract
> Quantum information science has brought us novel means of
> calculation and communication. But could its theorems hold the key
> to understanding the quantum world at its most profound level? Do
> the truly fundamental laws of nature concern — not waves and
> particles — but information?
>
> Imagine, what if all of quantum mechanics could be derived simply
> by taking those two quantum cryptographic theorems as axioms?
>
> This year marks the centenary of quantum mechanics. Despite earlier
> work by Max Planck, it was Albert Einstein's Nobel prize-winning
> 1905 paper 1 on the photoelectric effect that gave us what is
> arguably the greatest scientific theory of all time. Subsequently,
> the stones that make up the exquisite structure of quantum
> mechanics were laid out, one by one, by a stream of legendary
> giants such as Niels Bohr, Erwin Schrödinger and Werner
> Heisenberg — sometimes to the horror of Einstein. An almost
> inevitable consequence of this collective foundational effort over
> so many years is that quantum mechanics, for all its elegance, is
> built upon a rather disjointed, ad hoc set of axioms.
>
> Quantum mechanics has forced us to rethink the nature of the
> physical world, its teachings often running counter to our
> misleading macroscopic experience. It is time to pause and reflect
> on what we've learned in the course of these 100 years. Alongside
> Christopher Fuchs 2, I contend that there is a fresh perspective to
> be taken on the axioms of quantum mechanics that could yield a more
> satisfactory foundation for the theory.
>
> New horizons
> Quantum mechanics has changed our outlook on the world. The
> transistor, the laser, superconductivity, the atomic bomb — these
> early applications of the theory are but a few among those that
> have reshaped the way we live. The transistor made possible a
> dramatic increase in computation speed. However, given enough time,
> cog-and-wheels devices such as Charles Babbage's analytical engine
> are, in principle, capable of the same calculations. In a very real
> sense, the modern electronic computer is essentially a classical
> device. Could genuinely quantum-mechanical effects be harnessed for
> computing purposes?
>
> In the early 1980s, it occurred to Richard Feynman 3 and David
> Deutsch 4 that a quantum computer could become so efficient that it
> would far outperform its classical counterpart. For example, an
> atom can be simultaneously in its ground and excited states. If we
> assign classical bit 0 to one state and bit 1 to the other (Fig.
> 1), this gives us a quantum bit, or qubit. If we string together
> ten qubits, they can be collectively in all 1024 classical states
> of ten bits, and we can compute using all those states in parallel.
> If we replace those ten qubits by one thousand, we obtain 2^1,000
> (roughly 10^301) simultaneous operations. This entails an amount of
> parallelism that could not be matched by a classical computer the
> size of the Universe, in which each elementary particle would be
> harnessed as a processing unit.
>
> Figure 1 - Assign classical bits 0 and 1 to, for example, the
> ground and excited states of an atom, and the power of quantum
> computation is unleashed.
>
> But, even if the quantum computer existed, could it perform
> calculations that are impossible in the classical world?
>
> Quantum computing was at first regarded as a mere theoretical
> concept, but interest in it grew when Peter Shor discovered a way
> to use its capabilities to factorize large numbers efficiently 5.
> Such a computer would threaten the public-key cryptographic schemes
> currently in use, in particular for the secure transmission of
> credit card numbers over the Internet. Electronic commerce in its
> current form is saved from a catastrophic collapse only because the
> construction of a full-size quantum computer is, for the moment,
> eluding our technological capabilities. And we can only shiver to
> think of the effect that such a collapse of classical cryptography
> could have on national security. Even though the potential of
> quantum computers is mind-boggling, that does not change the
> theoretical notion of what is computable. The mathematical theory
> of computability is rooted in the 1936 groundbreaking work of Alan
> Turing 6. According to this theory, a problem is deemed to be
> computable if an algorithm can solve it, no matter how long it
> would take — even, indeed, should it take longer than the lifetime
> of the Universe. From this perspective, quantum computers can only
> solve problems that are already classically computable.
>
> Enter cryptography
> This begs the question: are there information-processing tasks that
> are impossible even in principle in the classical world, but that
> become possible through quantum mechanics? Even though unpublished
> for nearly fifteen years, the answer came to Stephen Wiesner well
> before anyone had thought of quantum computing. Around 1970, he
> discovered that quantum-mechanical effects could be used to produce
> banknotes that would be impossible to counterfeit 7. Because
> quantum information cannot be cloned, Wiesner realized that a
> banknote that contained quantum information would be impossible to
> copy. Unfortunately, this revolutionary (albeit impractical) idea
> went completely unnoticed, except by Wiesner's former undergraduate
> classmate Charles H. Bennett.
>
> Almost a decade elapsed before Bennett told me of Wiesner's idea,
> which led to our joint invention of quantum cryptography 8, 9. For
> ages, mathematicians had searched for a system that would allow two
> people to exchange messages in absolute secrecy. In the 1940s,
> Claude Shannon proved that this goal is impossible unless the two
> communicating parties share a random secret key that is as long as
> the message they want to communicate 10; moreover, that secret key
> can be used once only. In quantum cryptography, however, this
> pessimistic theorem can be thwarted by exploiting both the
> impossibility of measuring quantum information reliably and the
> unavoidable disturbance caused by such measurements. When
> information is appropriately encoded as quantum states, any attempt
> by an eavesdropper to access it necessarily entails a probability
> of spoiling it irreversibly. This disturbance can be detected by
> the legitimate users, allowing them to establish an unconditionally
> secure confidential channel with no need for a shared secret key.
> After we reported 11 the first experimental realization of quantum
> cryptography, Deutsch wrote 12 in New Scientist: "Alan Turing's
> theoretical model is the basis of all computers. Now, for the first
> time, its capabilities have been exceeded." It is interesting to
> note that quantum computers threaten most of the classical
> cryptographic schemes in use today, but that quantum cryptography
> offers an unconditionally secure alternative."
>
> Only if the perfect no-cloning theorem prevents "signal
> nonlocality" as defined in papers by Antony Valentini now at the
> Perimeter Institute. If micro-quantum theory is to macro-quantum
> theory (with hidden symmetries in the ground state of large
> systems) as special relativity is to general relativity, then the
> "unconditionally secure alternative" could be the "Maginot Line" of
> the National Security Corporate State. The Fat Lady has not sung on
> this yet and policy wonks in USG Intelligence should not be lulled
> into a false sense of security by the above kinds of statements.
>
> "The most obvious goal of cryptography always has been the secure
> transmission of confidential information, but the past three
> decades have seen the rise of a host of novel applications for
> cryptographic techniques, such as digital signatures and secure
> multiparty computation. However, all these classical concepts are
> obviously defeated if cheaters are allowed unlimited computing
> power. Moreover, most of their proposed implementations fall prey
> to quantum computing attacks 5. After the success of quantum
> cryptography in confidential communication, it was natural to hope
> that quantum techniques could also assist in designing
> unconditionally secure protocols for these more sophisticated tasks.
>
> One of the simplest tasks is known as 'bit commitment' — a rather
> abstract concept but a crucial stepping-stone to achieving more
> impressive cryptographic goals. In a bit-commitment scheme, one
> party (Alice) commits to a bit by sending something to the other
> party (Bob). Later, Alice can unveil the commitment, thereby
> letting Bob know to which bit she had committed. The scheme is
> 'concealing' if it's impossible for Bob to learn anything about the
> committed bit simply by analysing what Alice sent him when she
> committed; it is 'binding' if it's impossible for Alice to delay
> until unveiling the choice of bit she wants to show Bob.
>
> For many years, the design of an unconditionally concealing and
> binding protocol to implement bit commitment by quantum means was
> considered the key to unlock almost everything we may wish to do
> with cryptography. Unfortunately, it was proven — independently by
> Dominic Mayers13 and by Hoi-Kwong Lo and Hoi Fung Chau 14 — that
> such quantum schemes are impossible.
>
> A fresh perspective
> Quantum mechanics can help cryptography, but only up to a point: it
> does allow unconditionally secure transmission of confidential
> information, but not unconditionally secure bit commitment. These
> two facts are generally considered to be deep theorems of modern
> quantum information science. But do their implications reach beyond
> information science? What might they tell us about the wider
> physical world?
>
> Fuchs — the prime mover in this intellectual venture — has gone
> so far as to suggest that the first of these theorems (the
> possibility of perfect confidentiality), or perhaps others of a
> similar informational flavour, could serve as the basis of a new
> foundation for quantum mechanics, in which information takes centre
> stage. Inspired by the fascinating discussions I had had with
> Fuchs, it occurred to me that the second theorem (the impossibility
> of bit commitment) could be just as fundamental 15. Imagine, what
> if all of quantum mechanics could be derived simply by taking those
> two quantum cryptographic theorems as axioms?
>
> Admittedly, in its original form this idea was trashed by John
> Smolin, who devised an artificial world in which unconditional
> confidentiality was possible but not bit commitment, and his world
> was anything but a quantum one 16. But discussions with Jeffrey Bub
> breathed new life into Fuchs' and my dream. With Rob Clifton and
> Hans Halvorson, he chose to pull away somewhat from cryptography
> and declare more fundamental properties of quantum information as
> their axioms: the fact that no manipulations taking place at some
> point in space can have an instantaneously observable effect at
> some remote other point (the 'no-signalling property'); and that
> information cannot be cloned."
>
> Don't be so sure. However, one can see that factual violation of
> the 'no-signalling property" brings the whole quantum cryptography
> program down like an unstable house of cards. Quantum security
> rests on shaky ground that could turn into quicksand.
>
> "This pair replaced the axiom that transmitting information with
> unconditional confidentiality is possible, and they kept the axiom
> that unconditionally secure bit commitment is impossible.
>
> To derive anything from these information-theoretic essentials,
> they had to assume that the laws of physics can be formalized in
> the framework of mathematical tools known as C*-algebras. But it is
> amazing where their axioms took them: they were able to derive
> basic kinematic features of quantum mechanics, such as the
> principle of interference, the non-commutativity of measurements
> and the existence of space-like separated entanglement 17. A
> fascinating feature in their approach is that the impossibility of
> bit commitment is used to prove not only that entanglement exists,
> but that it must survive indefinitely across time and space —
> which is indeed the single most non-classical property of quantum
> mechanics.
>
> These are only the first steps, but could we eventually base
> quantum mechanics on information-theory axioms alone, without the
> need for specific assumptions about the physical theory (such as
> the use of C*-algebras)? Could we infer more about quantum
> mechanics than purely the kinematic properties mentioned above?
> Which other theorems of quantum information science might make
> powerful axioms for quantum mechanics when we turn the table round?
>
> On that last point, I have a suggestion. Consider the field of
> communication complexity, which concerns the amount of information
> that must be transmitted between two parties to compute some
> function of private inputs that they hold. It turns out that the
> required transfer can be reduced dramatically in some cases when
> the parties share prior entanglement 18. Nevertheless, even in the
> presence of unlimited shared entanglement, some boolean functions
> require a number of bits of communication that grows linearly with
> the input size.
>
> It was discovered by Wim van Dam 19, and independently by Richard
> Cleve, that all boolean functions could be computed with a single
> bit of communication, should physics allow a certain form of non-
> local correlation even stronger than those provided by quantum
> entanglement. What makes this discovery so interesting is that
> those super-quantum correlations do not violate the no-signalling
> property 20. In other words, quantum mechanics exhibits non-local
> properties within the framework of Einstein's causality — but not
> as strongly as it could.
>
> Once again we should ask what all of this is trying to tell us
> about nature. I suggest that this could be another axiom: it is not
> possible to compute all bipartite boolean functions with a single
> bit of communication. How much more of quantum mechanics might be
> derived from it?
>
> A century after Einstein's annus mirabilis, quantum information
> science could turn out to be much more than just an application of
> quantum theory. It could define its very nature."
>
>
> References
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> Article | ISI |
 

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More by Monsieur Brassard

http://www.phys.au.dk/quantop/quantuminfunder/abstracts.htm
Gilles Brassard: "Quantum Foundations in the Light of Quantum Information"


Consider the two great physical theories of the twentieth century: relativity and quantum mechanics. Einstein derived relativity from very simple principles such as: "The speed of light in empty space is independent of the speed of its source" and "Physics should appear the same in all inertial reference frames". By contrast, the foundation of quantum mechanics is built on a set of rather strange, disjointed and ad hoc axioms. Why is that? Must quantum mechanics be inherently less elegant than relativity? Or is it rather that the current axioms of quantum mechanics reflect at best the history that led to its discovery by too many people (compared to one person for relativity), over too long a period of time? The purpose of this talk is to argue that a better foundation for quantum mechanics could lie within the teachings of quantum information science. We postulate that the truly fundamental laws of nature concern information, not waves or particles. For example, it has been proved, from the current axioms of quantum mechanics, that "Nature allows for the unconditionally secure transmission of confidential information", but "Nature does not allow for unconditionally secure bit commitment" (these are standard classical cryptographic primitives). We propose to turn the table round, start from these two theorems and possibly a few others, upgrade them as axioms, and ask how much of quantum mechanics they can derive. This provocative talk is meant as an eye-opener: we shall ask far more questions than we shall resolve!
Perhaps Mr. Brussard might be interested in my theory and math that states "Information Subsumes Physical Energy"? ;)

RMT
 

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The question of free will. If DNA is similar to light waves, and free-will is also caught up in a similar pattern, we must consider the source of this "light".

Who's will is in play, ours ( as an individual ) or God's ( as the source & supply )? So perhaps what we perceive as an individaul free will is a collective will, an achievenment of Gods "intentions" for his 'children'.

Another point to ponder is whether or not God can be taken by suprise. Was God suprised that Adam and Eve made the choice to not obey His request? Could He possibly have been astonished that they didnt obey Him?

Did God return to the garden and noticing the apple was eaten, exclaim.." What the....???? " ?

When Adam hid from God, did God really have no clue as to where Adam was hiding?

Is God suprised by any choice we make? Obviously, if God was capable of suprise and astonishment, then that would put a question mark on His nature... as we understand Him. So how does free will play into this ideal?

And since God basically is infused into everything ( source energy ), everything that goes on is of God. Every thought, every dream, everything is sourced from His energy, so wouldnt any choice we make also be God Himself in action. To deny this would mean that there are voids as to where He is, that there are places He doesnt exist, or is unaware of.



I thought this would be a good place to include in this thread a post from the God? Thread. It seems to fit quite well with the topic of discussion. A tad long, but worth the read.









""""The following is a paper written by Greg Hatten.


There are diagrams available, but I did not transfer them to this post. The address below is where the full color with diagrams can be found.

http://www.educationplanet.com/search/cache?url=http://users.uniserve.com%2F~ghatton%2Flifespec.html


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THE LIFE SPECTRUM HYPOTHESIS
THE LIFE SPECTRUM HYPOTHESIS
POSSIBLE EXPLANATIONS
FOR
THE NATURE, CREATION AND EVOLUTION
OF
THE DNA MOLECULE AND LIFE WRITTEN BY BY GREG H. HATTON, AScT, MCASI - JUNE 24, 1995



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INTRODUCTION

This paper is regarding a correlation noticed across various branches of science as well as ancient theological text. The subject is life - the creation of it, possibly by special natural light, and this, in turn, to a possible connection to a God, advanced extraterrestrials or the intelligence of nature which makes up life itself. This short thesis details this major correlation that has been overlooked by science due, likely, to the technical language differences and lack of cohesiveness between the various scientific disciplines. The information is interesting and should be considered carefully by the various scientific disciplines noted herein. Please note that any religious notations here are only used as a potential scientific reference.


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THE THEOLOGICAL STARTING POINT

The starting point here is a quotation from the Holy Bible (1John - 1, 5) which states: "This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all." This is an interesting statement that, if taken literally, says that the intelligence of the universe (Ie: God) - is light. Verse 7 goes on to say "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. Putting aside the religious aspects, this statement affirms again that God (Ie: the universal intelligence of life) is in the light. Scientifically this makes sense since we know that life requires light energy in order to begin. Without it there would be no life since photosynthesis would never occur. Still though, what puts the intelligence into the creation of life? Here, science now knows that you can look to DNA (Deoxyribonucleic Acid) as this source for the intelligence of life (Ie: the code).



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DNA - THE NEXT CLUE

So this search for the origin of life continues on with a look at DNA. Figure 1 details a representation of a DNA molecule.

Figure 1: A DNA Molecule

The double helix is now becoming more and more understood by science. The DNA carries the code of life. It carries a biological computer program that specifies a particular type of life whether it be an amoeba or human. Scientists are working hard to identify further secrets about and applications for this knowledge. However, this still does not answer the big question of how did this DNA get here? What made the DNA? What caused it to occur such as it has? Of course there are the various types of molecular bonds that come into play but the thing has occurred with such intelligence. It seems like far too much intelligence to have happened by chance - at least in its original occurrence. We know that DNA replicates itself but how did it get started in the first place?



THE LIGHT CONNECTION

Now, take a close look at the double helix. It's overall structure, discovered by Crick and Watson, is striking and famous - it seems so perfect. What is even more remarkable is that the DNA looks very similar to a light wave. Look at a side view of the molecule and you will see that it clearly has a wavelength and amplitude just like a light wave. However, the DNA is three dimensional and regular transverse light waves are only two dimensional. Figure 2 illustrates a 2-dimensional light wave which in this case is an AM wave.

Figure 2: A 2-Dimensional Light Wave

Study of electromagnetic waves from a first year university text quickly reveals, however, that if two equal component polarized waves are combined perpendicular to each other and with one of them differing in phase by a quarter-cycle from the other. Then the resultant motion of each point corresponds to a superposition of two simple harmonic motions at right angles with a quarter-cycle phase difference. The motion is then no longer confined to a single plane, and it can be shown that each point on the wave moves in a circle in a plane parallel to the yz plane. Successive points on the wave have successive phase differences, and the overall motion of the wave then has the appearance of a rotating helix! Hence, electromagnetic waves can be of exactly the same shape as DNA! Look up a first year university physics text and verify that, simply stated, two transverse light waves can combine and become a helical light wave which can be of the exact same dimensions as DNA! Figure 3 exemplifies this fact.

Figure 3: The Creation Of A Helical Light Wave
Additionally, it may be possible that if two circular light waves could be sent out together in tandem then they may be able to take on the appearance of a double helix. Note as well that light waves also have an electrical field that runs on a perpendicular axis to the light wave itself. A possible correlation to DNA here is that the double helical components in DNA are molecularly attached in a ladder formation. It is possible that the electrical fields from two circular light waves may combine in this formation due to their positive and negative components!


So, it seems that DNA is closely related to electromagnetic waves by its shape. Digging deeper into the study of light waves reveals that, of course, humans have been encoding information into carrier waves within a modulated signal for some time now (Recall figure 2 which illustrates one of these waves). Radio etcetera uses this technique. Electromagnetic waves can carry encoded information - as does DNA! DNA carries the code of all life encapsulated within itself. Simply compare a photo of unravelled DNA to a photo of 8 bit code, created by humanity, and you will see the striking simularity. So DNA and light are comparable in this aspect as well provided that circular light waves can carry encoded information. Perhaps they can with the proper antenna/electronic apparatus? Figure 4 details a picture of 8 bit code. Recall the old keypunch computer cards for visualization here as well.

Figure 4: 8 Bit Code

An additional study of the DNA molecule shows that it's wavelength (estimated at 3.4 nanometers) corresponds to a wavelength within the electromagnetic spectrum where ultra-violet and gamma rays reside (around the 3-5 nanometer mark). This is particularly interesting since these (specifically UV rays) are the types of waves that cause mutations in the DNA when it is replicating itself. Why is this and why do other wavelengths of light waves not cause this?

The theory of light waves includes the principle of superposition which basically says that if two polarized waves of the same wavelength are beamed along with each other, they will combine together to become one wave with the same wavelength but larger amplitude. Since the ultra-violet and gamma rays are of the same wavelength as DNA, they may be combining with the DNA, when orientations are correct, via the principle of superposition. This would violently knock the DNA around while the ray of light passed through - hence, corrupting the information stored within and causing the mutations. DNA, when replicating, would only rarely be affected by UV rays since only correct wave orientations would cause superposition. This connection must also say, however, that the DNA is akin or related to light in order to be affected in this way. Perhaps DNA is a physical manifestation of light (Ie: a creation at the interface between matter and energy) or only that the atoms within the DNA molecule are small enough to be effected by the light waves.

Methods used to decode DNA molecules basically flatten the double helix out to reveal the sequences of information held within. This looks the same as taking the corresponding transverse wave components (those before superposition) out of a light wave to reveal their original amplitudes, wavelengths and encoded information.

Humans have used different methods for encoding information within light waves such as binary, hexadecimal, hollerith and 8-hole to name a few. The information is encoded into the light waves and sent to destination by a transmitter and received and decoded by a receiver. These human-made encoding systems look strikingly similar to the resultant gene pattern information obtained from unraveling DNA molecules. Note also that the accepted theory of light is that light has a dual nature. Light is considered to have properties which make it act like a particle and those which make it act like a wave. DNA is the same here as well since the shape is wavelike but it is made up of particles.



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THE LIFE SPECTRUM HYPOTHESIS

The preliminary information, above, has noted a number of comparisons which seem to suggest that DNA and light are quite similar in many aspects. The following few paragraphs detail possible natural explanations for this correlation of light and DNA. These are to be suggestions to the scientific community. These hypotheses are an attempt to explain the very basis for which DNA, and other biological molecules, are created in the first place. It is stressed here that these are just hypothetical explanations and that they may or may not be correct. The fact remains, however, that there seems to be something about this whole concept which lends itself to further scrutiny by the scientific community. Clearly, research should be conducted in an attempt to verify the connections that have been supposed in this report.


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The Einstein Mass-Energy Hypothesis

It seems as though DNA may be the physical manifestation of light - possibly the opposite side of Einstein's mass-energy equivalence law: E=mc2. Here, possibly, light energy is being converted into matter. One way of testing this would be to check the mass of DNA and determine it's rest energy verses the total energy of a double-circular light wave that is required to form the DNA - (that is if the hypothesis is correct in the first place). If the two are the same, this may be proof.


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The Electric/Magnetic Field Hypothesis
The other possibility is that the electric, and magnetic fields, created by naturally forming circular ultra-violet and x-rays, may stimulate the molecular bonding required to cause the formation of the DNA molecule. It is now well known, although not completely understood, that static electricity, under the proper conditions and using the correct chemical soup, causes the formation of amino acids. Perhaps this is another natural process which causes the formation of life. It is possible that circular light waves are acting as a template for the formation of DNA molecules. Perhaps natural UV and X-rays, thought to be destructive, are actually creative a very small part of the time while under the correct conditions (Ie: creating life). It may be this natural creative process, happening at the wrong time, which causes mutations but sometimes - causes evolution. This would explain the missing links found between the various species. This may be possible since evolutionary changes may have happened instantaneously by the effect of light which caused a mutation which actually translated into an evolutionary transformation. Hence, there were no intermediate species of the particular creature in question.


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The Universal God Or Extraterrestrial Hypothesis
It is also interesting to recall that electromagnetic waves can carry information. Perhaps naturally or artificially, electromagnetic waves, of a double helical nature, are interacting with our planet and other planetoids within our system and throughout the universe. Perhaps this is God? Perhaps all the bio-computer data of all the different kinds of life is being beamed throughout the universe - encapsulated within double-helical carrier waves. Humans use light to transmit intelligence over distances so why wouldn't God? A potential proof would be to prepare transverse waves with the same sequences of information as a DNA molecule and combine these by the principle of superposition and beam this into a chemical mix made up of the correct chemicals (Ie: hydrogen, carbon and nitrogen). Perhaps a DNA molecule will spontaneously form to the desired makeup as specified by the encapsulated information in the light beam. This could be a potential experiment.


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The Random Circular Wave Hypothesis
Another possibility is that circular waves form naturally, and randomly, in our atmosphere and obtain the natural sequences of encoded information by interactions with the air molecules found in the atmosphere. This may explain another way why life has evolved on our planet - as the atmospheric chemical makeup changed, so did the natural encoding of circular light waves and hence the evolution of DNA itself. This makes sense since dinosaur DNA, for example, is more primative than DNA is today. Additionally, it is now well known that the atmospheric content of oxygen was 30% in the days of the dinosaur while it is only 21% today. Ancient air had much less helium content compared to modern air as well. These factors would all alter the orientations of light diffraction/deflection that would occur in the atmosphere and thus change DNA with time as the air mixtures changed.


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The Advanced Communication Hypothesis
Astronomers have been searching the stars for some signal from other intelligent life. Perhaps, if there are other forms of intelligent life out there, they are using circular waves as their means of beaming information. A circular wave may hold it's energy longer than a transverse wave and thus travel farther and still remain readable similarly to how a propeller is the most efficient means of traveling through water. Additionally, a circular wave may be able to carry more information since it is 3-dimensional. Maybe the SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) astronomers should be looking for circular light waves in their search of the stars for life? Perhaps a transceiver capable of sending and receiving circular light waves should be designed and built. This special technology is likely possible.



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CONCLUSIONS

The evidence shown within this document details a number of correlations between electromagnetic waves and DNA and attempts several hypothetical explanations for these correlations. At this time it is suggested that there may be more to this connection and therefore these thoughts should be analyzed collaboratively by experts in the applicable sciences. In general, the applicable sciences are: Theology, Astrophysics, Astronomy, Electronics, Biochemistry, Philosophy as well as others. The similarities between DNA and light seem too close to be ignored. Religious writings from many cultures have been saying that God is Light for thousands of years. The Bible, as one example, makes reference that God is Light at least 10 times. Additionally, one of the old Prophets (Ezekiel 1:16) apparently had a vision where he spoke of an object that "appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel". Was this Prophet making reference to DNA? This observation is open for interpretation but seems, again, fairly interesting considering what we know about DNA and life today. Additionally, the Koran says that "Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth" and The book of Mormon says that "Christ is the light and life of the world". These are similar statements to the Bible which if taken literally in a scientific format point to the simularities between DNA and light noted in this report.

I personally noticed this connection and upon introductory research have not found any data in textbooks which notes any kind of similar connection. Is this correlation just a coincidence or is there something to it? Please send me your thoughts to:
ghatton@uniserve.com. Perhaps life is part of the Light Spectrum? Thanks from: Greg H. Hatton, AScT, MCASI.


Now See The Life Spectrum Hypothesis - Chapter 2 (Added July 1, 1998)


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This is all very good compiled information here, took me awhile to read it all!

I've come to the startling realization and conclusion that without intelligent life to observe and evaluate, everything would be meaningless…

Left with that thought alone, therefore thoughts equal creation.
 

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I've come to the startling realization and conclusion that without intelligent life to observe and evaluate, everything would be meaningless…

Left with that thought alone, it equals creation?
Anthropic Principle!

(Don't mean to sound like Creedo, but take a google on the term and see what comes up. I am a fan of the Final Anthropic Principle.)
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What is man that thou are mindful of him? Psalm 8:4

Yes, Anthropic Principle also. It may seem that we are just a speck standing on this big planet, but the planet compared with the stars is just another speck and the earth is orbiting the sun and the sun is a huge star and our sun/star may be a big deal to us, but our star is just another speck… So basically we are living on a speck on the edge of a galaxy - It's really not in downtown milky way, its way out in the side… So we're just a speck on a speck orbiting a speck. I'll tell you what else, there is billions and billion of stars and specks and billions of galaxies… So we are a speck, living on a speck, orbiting a speck in the middle of specklessness and perhaps senselessness? But than I begin to think, I have this brain (this little brain) to think about all of this… to think about the vast emptiness of space. I can reason that I'm a speck on a speck in the middle of specklessness and that's cool, that's worthy of respect.

And that my friend is worth thinking about… :)
 

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Donald Rumsfeld Agrees With RainmanTime!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/17/security.rumsfeld.reut/index.html

Even Donald Rumsfeld, in his recent speech to the Council On Foreign Relations, is telling us that INFORMATION is already an essential weapon for waging war in the 21st Century. Here's his quote:

"The Pentagon chief said today's weapons of war included e-mail, Blackberries, instant messaging, digital cameras and Web logs, or blogs.

'Our enemies have skillfully adapted to fighting wars in today's media age, but ... our country has not adapted,' Rumsfeld said."

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Well I will tell you the news and its not going to be pretty for some on this site…

Hello, do you actually think this site isn't monitored?!

This site believe it or not is a magnet for terrorists posting their plotted anticipations for future events as well as using the free inbox message feature on this site and all with the use of several usernames… But this still does not fool the big guy… Rumsfeld might have been vague about us not adapting to this threat but there are plenty of measure that have been in place for several years now and I know for a fact on this very forum!

Especially when you have topics posted like this:

http://www.timetravelinstitute.com/ttiforum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=time_travel&Number=37947&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

And if you think echelon has connections, 'this individual' has access to all the personal inbox messages and IP addresses and can follow a trail through any computer better than a bloodhound intoxicated with a pheromone scent in a matter of nanoseconds… There are no such things as firewalls!

Who this person is on the forum, I wont tell… But I will tell this individual 'good job'! :)

Unfortunately this forum is also intertwined in a conspiracy over the John Titor info… Its part of a forced business venture with the moderator, and incase your wondering this forum is set/programmed to show 'who's online' showing the John Titor info on a continuous basis. Yes folks, its rigged!
 

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Re: Donald Rumsfeld Agrees With RainmanTime!

He sees you when your sleeping, he knows when your awake, he knows if you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake.\

*There is no call for someone to breach both private e-mails and firewalls here.

I chose this board, as it was the least obtrusive subject, that I could find.

From the sounds of what CAT is saying, he is keying on certain individuals, as he has also snooped into their backgrounds.

This is pointless, as I could have chosen the subject of hats, which in his eyes, could have somehow threatened the infrastructure.

This person is a fool as he told me i his last private message, that he is capable of going and living in almost any dimensions, which in fact, would make him Mephistopheles.
 

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Why Bother? What's The Big Deal?

Greetings,

Often times, people will PM me and ask a question similar to: "Why do you take on the persona that you do, and why do you post of the topics that you do (science & spirituality) when it just leaves you open for so much ridicule?" I once journaled on this question, and ended up with a list of reasons that is quite long. To conserve SpaceTime here on the forum, I decided that I would just share two important reasons (my VIEWS, not necessarily my SCIENCE that can be demonstrated as valid). Here they are:

(1) BOTH Science AND Spirituality are rapidly approaching their next evolutionary cusps, as a result of the coming close of the Information Age.
In other posts, I describe the scientific underpinnings which explain the fractal, embedded relationships between Force, Energy, and Information. My own discovery of these relationships, along with my review of history in general, and the history of science in specific, has lead me to the conclusion I have cited in (1) above.

Einstein's STR and GTR, and their expression in the atomic bomb, represent theories that essentially brought to a close the Age of Energy and initiated the Age of Information. The advent of giants such as Shannon and Turing clearly brought forth theories of Information that demarcate the 1940s as the start of the Age of Information. (Interesting coincidence: My father worked for Shannon, and once met Turing, while working at Bell Labs in the 1940s).

Just as Einstein's summary of Energy helped cap-off the Age of Energy, it is my belief that we are facing a similar scientific, evolutionary summary that will help to further explain just what exactly the metric we call "Information" really represents. It is my belief that this summary is occurring, in parallel, all around us. I do NOT have any grandiose thoughts that I am equivalent to the next Einstein, only that I am playing a small part in helping this evolutionary summary of Information to be revealed. However, I DO believe that this evolutionary summary of Information will have a similar impact, in terms of magnitude, that Einstein's work had on our world.

Certainly I agree with the undeniable facts that "religion" is in trouble in our world. But any single "religion" is nothing more than a man-made (non-natural) construct. Furthermore, there are many people who believe (understand) that Spirituality is different from "religion" in that it is a result of a natural tendency of humankind to wonder "might there be something beyond what we perceive as physical?" Now, just as "religion" is at a critical juncture, so this is also true of the "religion-like" institutions of Science. Please read that correctly, as I am making an important analogy: Just as there are required dogma in "religions" (and plenty of people who are all too ready to enforce that dogma), so there are certainly elements within the scientific community who have assigned their own dogma and are determined to enforce it. For example, there are zealots who believe that we can never "prove Einstein wrong" about anything, much less expand on his knowledge. Also, do not misinterpret what I am saying. I am not claiming that "all science" has become this, and not even "most science" has become this. I only point out that there are pockets showing up in science that seek to stoke their own vested interests in certain "answers" about what is true.

My actions are meant to, literally, "stir the pot" that contains both misbehaving spiritualists (who create dogmatic religions) and misbehaving scientists (who create dogmatic scientific theories). And I do this by willingly, and openly demonstrating how "real science" can and does apply to "real spirituality". This process will eventually result in "disproving" some things that both Science and Spirituality hold dear. For that I do not feel sorry. It is something that simply must come to pass, sooner or later.

Integration of disparate dualities is a fundamental force in Nature (just look at what Nature makes possible with the terminals of a battery). This can be shown in many examples. I am simply applying this natural tendency to the disparate dualities called Science and Spirituality. And let me tell you, it can be fun :) as well as frustrating. :mad:

(2) There is vast, as-yet untapped, human scientific potential available via the internet which can only be tapped by the application of a highly non-linear integration of these resources.
Just as I will agree there are many lame-ass, unscientific people out there pushing the mystical/spiritual mumbo jumbo, and that they quite often can show NO science to substantiate their claims, I think you would also have to admit that there are also quite a few lame-ass debunkers who debunk only as a means to stroke their ego. Not only this, but many of these debunkers will hide behind what they think is their "good science" but which I can often show is simply "incomplete science" or possibly "misapplied science." In general, not ALL debunkers are effective, nor really interested in getting at the truth. Rather, they just debunk to debunk... it gives them an intellectual high.

Such people need to be confronted before their intelligence and brilliance (much of which could be lying dormant) can be tapped via internet cooperative efforts. The only way they can be confronted is with "above board", "in your face", and "unhidden" claims as to what the evolutionary cusp we are approaching means to what is formerly considered "mystical knowledge". Furthermore, the only way in which such confrontations may be able to get these highly intelligent people to examine and reconsider their beliefs (which are certainly formed by past experiences with BS New Agers who could not argue scientifically) is by providing them with REAL SCIENCE that they can sink their teeth into. Not only that, but presenting such REAL SCIENCE that cannot be debunked without taking on the task of debunking something that is already clearly part of our accepted, and verified body of Science.

As I mentioned, these are only two of many reasons why I do what I do, both here and elsewhere. There's cool stuff coming down the pike with respect to both Science and Spirituality. I'm just one messenger who happens to have a good background in science and engineering. However, I hope you and others might be interested in the science that I believe I have been able to quantify that describes the interrelationship between Force, Energy, and Information as physical metrics. There are certainly lots of different applications for this if my science and math are vetted. And with the tapping of the huge human scientific potential I discussed above, it can literally mean a radically changed world... in as little as 7 years Time! ;)

RMT
 

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The one thing that I have stressed in many posts is the knowledge in some ancient texts. The 'meeting' of science and spirituality are definetly coming closer together.

Here are some exerpts( in italics ) from a text written 20 centuries ago...

In the time of Columbus, scientists thought only two continents existed.

"There exists seven geographical continents. But it is not yet known to those who mark out geographical boundaries".

Our modern medical science discovered the relationship between heart disease, liver and cholesterol.

"From the liver emerges the bile, from which come bitter drops to kill human beings... Bile overcomes the arteries of the heart and all the arteries in the limbs of the body..."

Science recently identified two kinds of cholesterol and fat, known as the good fats and the bad fats

"In the body there are pure and impure fatty parts, clean blood without waste matter and blood contaminated with waste matter..."

Consider that these were written 2000 years ago. The authors obviuosly had an understanding of scientific information, lost ( ignored by ) to the scientific world for centuries. Scientists think they made sudden discoveries, when the knowledge had been there already.

Doesnt this cause anyone to wonder what other information is contained within many ancient texts?

We had a discussion last year regarding these concepts, but many scoffed at the posts merely because the sources were considered 'religious'.

If one ws to look at the last chapter of The Bible, it is entitled, " Revelations". I think everyone is very familiar with it. If one is to consider the Bible as a history of mankind, from beginning to end, what a strange title for the end of mankinds story...'Revelations".

We have Genisis, and it starts out with .."In the beginning"...So why would the last chapter of mankind be entitled "Revelations".

From what Rainman has done is provide the answer to this question in his post. Now, for the atheists, I am not using The Bible from a religious POV. I am not saying "Turn or Burn", nor asking anyone to suddenly become a devout Christian.

After a certain point it seems obvious that some things go beyond chance and random occurences. There are definite patterns in creation, and this will become clearer in time. The day is coming that God will be revealed, and science just may be the vehicle that brings it all together.
 

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Now, for the atheists, I am not using The Bible from a religious POV.
From a purely historical analysis, the Bible is the most accurate manuscript that has ever existed.

There is so much to go back and look into in "light" of all of the scientific discoveries that have occurred in the last few centuries. There was never an emphasis because people didn't know then what we know now.

One example: It isn't very difficult to see that the continents were at one time connected. One look at a globe will show you that. But did you know that when the Bible speaks of the lineage of Noah, there is one person in particular named Peleg, a son of Eber. Now, Peleg means division. And the Bible even explicitly says why his name was Peleg:

Gen 10:25
Two sons were born to Eber: One was named Peleg, because in his time the earth was divided; his brother was Joktan.

Now this happened just after the Flood. It makes sense. And now, with modern science, we can see that this really happened.

Information subsumes physical energy? I'd say this is a cool example.
 

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From a purely historical analysis, the Bible is the most accurate manuscript that has ever existed.
Good Post, Iridium.

There are many things contained in the Bible that are being "discovered" in modern times. I must take a different view on the accuracy of "THE" Bible. Many translations have been mis-used for political reasons. Some of those are from the days The Bible was 'put' together, to modern versions.

I.E....This is why there is controversy surrounding the role of women. If we go further back, and get into the original scripts, we find that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are totally different than our modern understanding.

In the original scripts, the word for Holy Spirit was feminine. So the Holy Spirit is not a male figure, but female. Is this important? Yes.

The one thing to stress with creation, is balance and equilibrium. Our existence hangs by a thread. Any changes in the composition of the way things are in our Universe,and it would cease to exist.

Thus, when looking at the Trinity, we can see this balance and equilibrium when translated properly. God/Father is both male/female ( in this context ), The Son ( Male ) and the Holy Spirit ( Female ).

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Also remember, Jesus said he spoke in Parables...many who didnt understand "how" to listen to The LIVING Word of God received an entirely different understanding of what Jesus actually had said.
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Rainman has mentioned Intention several times. This word is crucial to the developement of anyone. The first step is to have the idea, or desire for some type of action, then it is followed by intention, then action, finally there is fulfillment.

To make reference to a quote " Every intention which does not assert itself by actions, is vain intention. "

Here at TTI, Rainman has been demonstrating the link between Science and God ( Essense of Exsistence ). But, many mis-understand the Intention, and miss out on what is contained in the information posted, and slip away without building upon the foundation provided.

What is needed is a meeting of the minds, and to carry out the Intentions with action, and then just maybe we can fulfill our desire.
 

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The source for this is the original texts that the bible had been translated from---the word used for Holy Spirit was RVCh ( Ruach ). This word is feminine. As quoted in a passage from Sepher Yetzirah: " ACHTh RVCh ALHIM ChIIM: " One is SHE , the Spirit of the Elohim of Life ".

If you give this some thought, you will realize that this is supported by other ideals. As I mentioned, The Basic Concept of Existence is equilibrium and balance. There is a complex and lengthy description that clarifies this concept of creation. Equilibrium and balance. This is key in understanding God in Depth.
 
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Re: Revelations... GOD Revealed By TheCigMan

Since almost all of us have taken our analysis to the metaphysical and GOD...

I offer the following for you to ponder...

I believe Einstein believed in GOD...

I won't be surprised to find Hawking believes in GOD...

Information is finite in the universe... All there is has been thought of by GOD

GOD Channels information into true believers... Einstein, Hawking and other great 'minds'

If one believes in STRING THEORY...

There is no mass or matter only vibrating strings of energy and/or LIGHT

One should remember the passage from the BIBLE... I am the Lord... I am the LIGHT

One could come to the conclusion that GOD is everywhere and everything...

If one believes in this world as 'THE MATRIX' they wouldn't be far off...

But we are not physical beings in a computer simulated reality but...

Spiritual Beings <of energy> having a 'human' experience in the matrix of light we call reality...

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On a lighter note:

Creedo recently had a posting about Jesus surfing in Hawaii....

So Creedo... Jesus is back on earth, has reddish brown shoulder length hair and wants to surf in Hawaii?... :)

Creedo like John Titor appears to mention somethings although fairly wild...
But that something is something...

Someday, Creedo, when 'this' is all over... I would really like to meet you...

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Did you know that there are only two words in the entire bible that are capitalized in bold print?
The two words are..." I AM ".

Now, why would only these two words be emphasized?
 

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Hey Cigman,
Information is finite in the universe... All there is has been thought of by GOD

GOD Channels information into true believers... Einstein, Hawking and other great 'minds'
Bravo, sir! Given the areas where we know we disagree with each other, and have razzed each other, who would've thought either of us could post something that the other would agree with completely and wholeheartedly?

Yet that is exactly how I feel about your last post. A very thoughtful, excellent summary, if I may offer my opinion. My hat's off to you! :)

So given the hierachy implied by the original name I selected for this thread, would I be safe to assume that you might view God as Being a complete "field" of INTENTION? And that this Omnipresent field of INTENTION channels down Information, which is used to control Energy, which reigns over the exertion of Forces in our Physical Matrix of Massive SpaceTime?

Might you agree that this is a good way to explain the whole "system" of our universe?
RMT
 

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Did you know that there are only two words in the entire bible that are capitalized in bold print?
The two words are..." I AM ".

Now, why would only these two words be emphasized?
Perhaps to stress the act of Creation as being one-in-the-same as an act of Definition? My guess.

By defining who I AM , I Willfully act to Create the next version of myself in the next Space of Time that I call My Present.
(I told you I was from The Present!)

I would like to point out here how important it is that the words in the Bible are NOT "I WAS" (Past) nor are they "I WILL BE" (Future). But rather they are spoken in the Eternal Present as:

I AM

It is a poweful statement of INTENTION, I must say. ;)
RMT
 
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RMT,

My hats off to you...

Well Thanks, Ray... I was impressed by your postings and others about the true nature of the universe and GOD...

I thought it was time to reveal it to everyone in a way anyone can understand...

But there is good and evil in 'the matrix' of light...
One should ask oneself if they should be in the defense industry or working towards world peace...:)

As for Creedo... Ray don't you think he knows alittle too much about you... :)

As my identity has been compromised... By the good's NSA's computers and the evil one's Total Information Awareness lurking in a DoD bunker..

Let's say... I have shoulder length reddish brown hair and had a recent desire to go to Hawaii :)

But Jesus had his time... You should really go see the DiVinci Code Ray... I'm part French :)

Let's just say I'm a TRUE believer and GOD has channeled my analysis of John Titor that concerns you and DARBY so much...

A little more to think about...


TheCigMan
 
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RMT,

An even simplier way is in Star Wars mythology terms...

George Lucas had it right about the 'The Force' but he left out GOD :)



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An even simplier way is in Star Wars mythology terms...
Heh... Star Wars is a Creedo of mine, CigMan! Or so one could say! :)

George Lucas had it right about the 'The Force' but he left out GOD
May The Force Be With You, CigMan ... and Creedo!

RMT
 

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The source for this is the original texts that the bible had been translated from---the word used for Holy Spirit was RVCh ( Ruach ). This word is feminine. As quoted in a passage from Sepher Yetzirah: " ACHTh RVCh ALHIM ChIIM: " One is SHE , the Spirit of the Elohim of Life ".

If you give this some thought, you will realize that this is supported by other ideals. As I mentioned, The Basic Concept of Existence is equilibrium and balance. There is a complex and lengthy description that clarifies this concept of creation. Equilibrium and balance. This is key in understanding God in Depth.

I am not knowledgeable in Hebrew...so I had to do some looking around to see what the significance of the word Ruach being feminine. I will agree that it is. But I also learned a couple of other things. It can be feminine or masculine and is used as either in scripture. So which use are we going to use to determine the masculinity or femininity of the Spirit of God?

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=766&
 

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The principle of equalibrium and balance.

1. God ( Whom is undefinable in human terms in entirety ) is both male/female, in the context of creation.

2. Son ( Whom represents the male energy or potential of creation )

3. Holy Spirit ( Whom represents the female energy or potential of creation

Now, remember, even thought we define or catagorize them as seperate, they all exist as The One. But in order for creation to maintain itself, a balance and equilbrium of the energies/frequencies must exist. The dual nature of light, the dual helix of DNA, each unseen if alone, as just one side - so to speak - , by the combination of the two, something exists.

Even though we identified two "sides" of the duality, there is a first. The Source of All. It contains the duality of both, completing a geometric harmony of creation & existence.

The Key Of Time thread will answer your question much more fully. There is a vast amount of supporting material on this, too much to post, but the core of the principles involved have been started in the other thread.
 

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Hi CigMan,
But there is good and evil in 'the matrix' of light...
One should ask oneself if they should be in the defense industry or working towards world peace...:)
Indeed. We are often told how evil speaks in terms of mutual exclusives. :) There are many different recipes for whirrled peas and... believe it or not... there actually exist people who work in the defense industry whose goal it is to create whirrled peas. ;)

As for Creedo... Ray don't you think he knows alittle too much about you...
Hee hee! You might think so, but I'd say he doesn't know enough... if you catch my wave! ;)

Let's say... I have shoulder length reddish brown hair and had a recent desire to go to Hawaii
Cowabunga, Dude! Pipeline can be a widowmaker, but anyone who has transcended death need not worry about that little issue. :)

You should really go see the DiVinci Code Ray... I'm part French
I don't know whether to congratulate you or issue my condolences. I just hope the part of you that is not French is the part that bathes daily and espouses the virtues of deodorant. :)

Let's just say I'm a TRUE believer and GOD has channeled my analysis of John Titor that concerns you and DARBY so much...

A little more to think about...
God calls us all to play different parts in the Unfolding of Man. So far by my readings of Massive SpaceTime, all is proceeding as planned. :)

RMT
 
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Re: Revelations... Creedo Revealed by GOD

RMT,

Although this might be cryptic to other readers I apologize... It is a private matter between RMT and myself

"Cowabunga, Dude! Pipeline can be a widowmaker, but anyone who has transcended death need not worry about that little issue."

You seem to know more about me than you're letting on Ray... Are the curtains finally being pulled back... :)

"As for Creedo... Ray don't you think he knows alittle too much about you... "
"Hee hee! You might think so, but I'd say he doesn't know enough... if you catch my wave "

I think you understand now... 'They' are watching you... 'They' are watching me... :)

"God calls us all to play different parts in the Unfolding of Man. So far by my readings of Massive SpaceTime, all is proceeding as planned. "

I think you're on the side of 'evil' I don't think your 'handlers' have revealed 'all' to you
Debunkers are an easy lot to track down to their government... You made yourself a little too public...



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""" Woe, unto the man who asserts that this {----- } intends to relate ot only commonplace things and secular narratives; for if this were so, then in present times likewise the written words might be written with more attractive narratives...Now the narratives are its garments. He who thinks that these garments are the understandings themselves deserves to perish and have no share in the world to come.
Woe, unto the fools who look no further when they see an elegant robe! More valuable than the garment is the body which carries it, and more valuable than that, is the soul which animates the body. Fools only see the garment, the intelligent see the body, the wise see the soul, its proper being, and in time the 'upper soul ' will stand revealed.""" Zohar
 

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CigMan,

I think you're on the side of 'evil' I don't think your 'handlers' have revealed 'all' to you
Debunkers are an easy lot to track down to their government... You made yourself a little too public...
While I do very much appreciate, and agree with, your words above on God, here we see the area where we again go our separate ways...

First of all, you've convinced yourself that you "know me" simply because you know what I do for a living and/or you know what I have posted here. Just the fact that you assume I have "handlers" makes me laugh, for if you only knew the truth...

Second, you clearly imply in your words above that "all debunkers work for the government." Yes, I know it sounds silly when I put it so bluntly, but if you do read the words above this is precisely what you implied with the words you wrote. However, it is quite easy to find people who debunk for various other reasons. One of the most popular reasons is when people have had a proper education in science, and they can't handle allowing people who spew pseudoscience and/or unfounded conspiracy theories to get off scott-free. There is yet another large share of debunkers who (science education or not) enjoy doing it because it gives them an intellectual high... it strokes their ego to be able to "win a debate" over someone else. If I might be so bold, two prior members of this board would seem to fall into this category. Both our old friend trollface, and our recently departed associate "jmpet" seemed more intent on just "proving Rainman wrong" (on ANY subject) than they were on really digging into the science of what is possible.

And then, yes, I would not doubt that there may very well be people "out here" who are paid misinformation agents. The fact that you think I am one of them is something I actually take as a compliment... for that means I "sound passable", even though it is just little old me, posting in between meetings at work or between classes at school... or while enjoying a frosty beer at home on the weekends.

You're a lot of fun, CigMan, but I just hope you are not seriously thinking you have a lock on "the Truth" especially as it relates to me. ;)

RMT
 
#45
Re: Revelations... God Revealed by the CigMan

RMT,

"While I do very much appreciate, and agree with, your words above on God, here we see the area where we again go our separate ways..."

We <God and I> have a very close relationship... :)

"You're a lot of fun, CigMan, but I just hope you are not seriously thinking you have a lock on "the Truth" especially as it relates to me. "

I hope I'm not telling tales out of school, Ray, but let me remind you of one of your private messages.

You said and I quote "My handlers love your work." and something about the paranoia my analysis of John Titor has created.

Those who are interested in creating FEAR or SUFFERING on the american public such lets say 9/11 or the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina or supposed terrorist attacks in Los Angeles are on the side of 'evil'

"Both our old friend trollface, and our recently departed associate "jmpet" seemed more intent on just "proving Rainman wrong" (on ANY subject) than they were on really digging into the science of what is possible."

Never paid much attention to them, Ray. I only find you and Creedo fascinating... :)

Ray your ego is out of control especially about being right. :)

Lets say being 'evil' makes you stupid. Example, common criminals who always get caught.


TheCigMan
 

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Re cig smokin man;

On RMT and creedo knowing too much about Ray.

Ray and I are really twins.Yes we're the Doublmint twins, and we like to dress up in girls clothing and cruse Hollywood parties, to see if we can get men intrested.

Once we get them coming on, then we b*tch out and leave them with their mouths hanging open.

Ray looks real nice, in nylon stockings and pumps.

He does a good job on shaving his legs.

Ray and I have odd habits, as we are both children of Hollywood.

If you have doubts about Ray, then you should go to where Ray works and see one of his mighty erections. Wuups?! that's the English England term, I think its construction projects?

Yes Ray, is great in aerospace projects, this is why all his coworkers, say that Ray makes mighty erections.

*Please give more money to the Cameron Diaz wealth fund, so she can buy her own African country.
 

RainmanTime

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Re: Revelations... God Revealed by the CigMan

CigMan,
I hope I'm not telling tales out of school, Ray, but let me remind you of one of your private messages.

You said and I quote "My handlers love your work." and something about the paranoia my analysis of John Titor has created.
Interesting. A question to you: Would you mind explaining to me what yardstick you use to determine when someone is telling you the "truth" or when they are pulling your leg? Is it possible that you believed me when I said this because it is what you suspected all along? Yet isn't it quite possible that this was another ruse... to "throw you off my tracks"? I believe (not positive) that the quote you cite above was also accompanied by a :).

Those who are interested in creating FEAR or SUFFERING on the american public such lets say 9/11 or the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina or supposed terrorist attacks in Los Angeles are on the side of 'evil'
There is plenty we could explore about your own thoughts and beliefs in this regard, CigMan. I know you don't like to answer my probing questions (perhaps because you really do believe I am a government agent), but I would like to know more about how you think:

1) Would you consider me "evil" simply because I own a weapon, and am both willing and able to defend myself (rather than rely on government or law enforcement)? It would seem, like Hillary Clinton, you tend to brand the military as "evil" without distinguishing that there are individual people who comprise it.
2) I'm sure you don't like the PATRIOT act (either the original or the new slightly watered-down version that Bush is ready to sign). Yet if we were to do-away with such capabilities, what would you propose as an enhanced means to root-out those who would hide in our society and then execute plans to kill innocent Americans?
3) Do you honestly believe that Islamist extremism everywhere in the world is merely a "puppet" creation of the "secret" US government? Or will you at least admit that there is an extremist problem in the world, and that something must be done about it to prevent the resurgence of fascism a la Hitler and Mussolini? Is the regieme in Iran playing to a US government script?

Conspiracy theorists tend to always lean on the finger-pointing towards others, but seldom offer real, actionable solutions to today's problems. I'd like to hear more of your solutions, rather than more of your accusations. And then let's all chime in on how practical your solutions are in this day and age... or does your form of solution involve taking us all back to the stone age? :)

To try to stay on the topic of this thread: Explain to me YOUR Intentions, how you would manifest them as Information, how it would be used to direct Energy, and how this would induce Forces that would change the world for the better. I really do want to hear your ideas... as I have heard more than enough of your accusations. You judge me as "evil", and yet you claim to be on good terms with God. Whatever happened to "judge not lest ye be judged"? While I do not agree with your beliefs or your tactics, CigMan, I do not believe I have ever laid down a judgement of you as "evil". Correct me if I am wrong.

RMT
 

RainmanTime

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INTENTION->Information->Energy->Force

If you understand the hierarchy of the four metrics defined in the subject line, then you can see how a Command/Response system is defined for how the non-physical selves (Mind, Soul, and Spirit) can interact with and affect our physical universe (which I call the Matrix of Massive SpaceTime).

The Command/Response propagation goes like this:

COMMAND EMANATION
1) A Being of Free Will formulates an INTENTION to Create some effect in the physical realm.
2) That INTENTION acts upon Information which is used to separate True from False, and align several Truths that could result in the INTENTION coming to pass.
3) The alignment of several Truths of Information acts upon Energy in such a way as to direct the Energy to change form in specific ways...ways dependent upon the True Information that came from INTENTION.
4) The changing forms of Energy impact the generation of unbalanced Forces and Moments, which describe Matter in Motion.
5) The Forces and Moments act upon ("stimulate") the physical Matrix of Massive SpaceTime which constitutes the "stuff" of which our universe is constructed.

PHYSICAL RESPONSE
5) Science has proven to us that physical objects in our universe (Matrix of Massive SpaceTime) will RESPOND to any stimulus. Such a stimulus is described by the unbalanced Forces and Moments that describe Matter in Motion in our physical universe. So whenever the Matrix of Massive SpaceTime is STIMULATED it will yield a Natural, PHYSICAL RESPONSE that emanates from the Matrix and moves outward (upward) to affect the levels above.
4) The physical response of the Matrix of Massive SpaceTime is "sensed" by the Mind, which perceives the universe in terms of unbalanced Forces and Moments that cause Matter to Move, which thereby defines Tense, or our Mind's internalized measure of Time.
3) The Mind's reaction to the physical response gives off its own response that emanates outward (upward) to the level of the Soul. The Soul is the level which operates on the level of Energy and how it changes in form. So the Mind's emanation of Matter-in-Motion and Tense/Time affects the Energy of the Soul.
2) The Soul's reaction to the Mind's response will cause a response of its own in the form of a change in the Energy state of the Soul. This change in Energy state of the Soul emanates as a response outward (upward) to the level of the Spirit. The Spirit is the primary processor of Information, and its Information state is thereby modified by the Energy response of the Soul.
1) Finally, the change in the Information state of the Spirit causes the spirit to emanate a response of its own. That emanation of the Spirit moves outward (upward) to the level of INTENTION.

The above describes the CLOSED-LOOP process of Command & Response that is the Truth about how we operate as physical beings with non-physical Spirit/Soul/Minds.

The physical Body is our personal Matrix of Massive SpaceTime.
The aphysical Mind operates through consideration of Forces and Moments.
The aphysical Soul operates through consideration of Energy.
The aphysical Spirit operates through consideration of Information.

The only question that remains is:

WHAT DO WE CALL THE STATE OF BEING AT THE LEVEL OF INTENTION?

I Am,
RMT

P.S. - Please falsify the above, if you can. :)
 

RainmanTime

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A Sobering Consideration About Information

I think I've been pretty much up-beat in this thread, explaining Nature's structure of Force, Energy, Information, and Intention. But now, I think it is time to point out that ALL technologies can be used for both "good" and "evil" (as we seem to use these judgements a lot in our lives). Our own human history makes this fact evident:

1) Witness how mankind has learned to use FORCE against each other, in a manner to impose one group's WILL (INTENTION) upon another group. FORCE application is what lead to conventional weapons.
2) Witness how mankind has learned to use ENERGY against each other, in a manner to impose one group's WILL (INTENTION) upon another group. ENERGY application is what gave us many weapons of mass destruction (WMD) with the central WMD Energy weapon being atomic & thermonuclear bombs.
3) Would anyone like to discuss the means and ways that INFORMATION is already being used against each other, in a manner to impose one group's WILL (INTENTION) upon another group?
4) Would we wish to discuss the fact that there is a much more destructive, "weaponized equivalent" of the Energy-based thermonuclear weapon in the realm of INFORMATION? Can you imagine just how much more powerful this is over and above thermonuclear weapons?
5) When you think of using a weapon (ANY weapon) in terms of how it can be used for BOTH "good" and "evil" (depending on how and for what reasons you CHOOSE to use that weapon), can we understand how the enemies of freedom in the world can most effectively use Information as a weapon against the free world?

I still maintain there is a reasonable argument to my theory that The John Titor Experiment could have been a pre-9/11 terrorist Psy Op! In fact, I will go so far as to even claim that my theory has a MUCH greater ability to be scientifically substantiated than does Titor's own story about him being a TT'er needing an IBM 5100! It is easier to debunk Titor's claims than it is to debunk my claims.

Not only could I explain how Titor's story was an "information weapon", but there has been a recent post by another Time Travel hoaxer here that has extremely similar elements to Titor's "information weapon". I'd even be happy to quote from that post and point out how information is being used as a weapon, to make you believe that awful things are just about to happen to the US...and thus perhaps make people worry...panic....fear...to feel terrorized.

We must all come to understand the deeper significance of Information as we round out the Information Age that we are living through. WW II was ultimately a war over Energy, because it ended the Age of Energy with the advent of the ultimate Energetic weapon (atom bomb). What would have happened if the side of "evil" in WW II was the first to use that weapon? What will happen if the side of "evil" in our current worldwide conflicts becomes the first to use equivalent Information weapons?

Something to think about with respect to ANYONE'S Information and Propaganda.
RMT
 

OllyB

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Re: A Sobering Consideration About Information

4) Would we wish to discuss the fact that there is a much more destructive, "weaponized equivalent" of the Energy-based thermonuclear weapon in the realm of INFORMATION? Can you imagine just how much more powerful this is over and above thermonuclear weapons?
I think that it would be more powerful in that it can target the correct individuals without taking out half a country. And it can be untraceable.

It can target certain demographics and sections of society that are deemed the best recipients of the information. And can lead to results far more efficiently then a crude bomb can.

If you get a certain section of society conditioned to take the desired response by the controlled release of information then you could end up minipulating an entire population potentially. We all have different responses (or outward expressions) to events and informtion. Yet we all tick to the same clock underneath (if you read between the lines). You just need to know which different profiles of people need what specific information and in what context to achieve the correct unified response.

For example - to get a timetravel enthusiasts resonating to the the fear of civil war. You'd need to work on an information level that best suits ther likely personality (personally i would class the soul as more directly connected to the personality - not the spirit). Many are going to accept a story of a time traveller because they desire it. If that time traveller is spouting about Civil war, as they accept the time traveller - they start to resonate with the fear response to the information. As more people discuss it - it starts to snowball. Especially if you back it up with suedo-science

Someone, who likes to read about aliens, and such a person with a submissive personality might be led to suspect that a rogue planet is about to kill us all. Throw in a couple of high profile delusional channelers and you have a potentially another few thousand roped in. Resonating at the same level as the timetravel enthusiasts, but under a different context.

after all a nation of deluded people expecting to be wiped out at some piont, are a weak nation.

If you created montauk disinformation - you could generate whole chuncks of society that fear the 'secret' government. Making more and more people suspicious of their elected leaders. This is always a valid ingreedent in a civil war soup.

parents can be led to believe that Computer games and music are going to turn there kids into gun touting hoddies. And thus Censorship is more readily accepted by a larger demographic of the voting public (i.e. spread the information and get a desired response, If you want you intention forced on someone else - you just need to give them the information to bring them round to your point of view).

If you really knew your metaphyics and had the right amount of influence, you could engineer what ever reality you wanted people to buy into. As long as you know the steps that Ray mentions in the correct detail and application

Of course conspiriacy theorists are the easiest faction of society to achieve this with. They spread everything like a disease to all others. Some people will probably laugh that this reply though. And i would say that they are only qualified to so if they know the implicaitons of the original information this thread.

'Reality' is brought about by intention and this a response to information.